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    1. #1

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      Thumbs up Take note Mr Brown....!!!!

      Was sent this today....very interesting..........:)

      Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were
      told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government
      targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

      A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty
      to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime
      Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that
      extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello,
      seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical
      clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not
      accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were
      made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a
      country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then
      Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

      "I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two
      laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and
      another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with
      parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would
      prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another
      country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better
      option", Costello said.

      Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,
      he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to
      move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson
      later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept
      local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want
      to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian
      values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear
      off", he said.

      Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday
      bysaying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's

      Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we
      are offending some individual or their culture. Since the
      terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in
      patriotism by the majority of Australians."

      "However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the
      'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the
      possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not
      against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who
      is seeking a better life by coming to Australia " "However,
      there are a few things that those who have recently come to our
      country, and apparently some born here, need tounderstand."
      "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has
      served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.
      And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society,
      our own language and our own lifestyle."

      "This culture has been developed over two centuries of
      struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who
      have sought freedom"

      "We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic,
      Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if
      you wish to become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

      "Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,
      right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men
      and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and
      this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to
      display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then
      I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new
      home, because God is part of our culture."

      "We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we
      ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful
      enjoyment with us."

      "If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair
      Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part
      of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire
      to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you
      came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it
      on others.

      "This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will
      allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are
      done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our
      Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly
      encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian


      "If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to
      come here.You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU

      Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, BRITISH citizens
      will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same

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      When you get here you will see things changing here, like they did in the uk years back, were we had to start "bending to accomodate" different religions.
      I work in an area of mainly older people, and they all say "when we came here we had to do the "bending" now it seems we are still bending to accomodate new immigrants.
      When I lived in the UK I thought Yes I am going to a country whose government stood out there, but since I have been here I dont think they are any better than the UK governments. The politically correct ones are here too, but the news is doctored so you dont hear much. I think they have the theory that if its not on the news, it hasnt happened.

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      I think most people know our religous views on here now and for those who dont we are commited christians.

      The thing about this to me and I am quite happy to accept you might not agree with me is that at least the government is standing up and saying what it belives in. Your Primeminister has had the guts to stand up and say this is the way it should be, And he's right.

      In Britain at the moment my religion is treated as superfluous and not important whereas the muslims ( and not upsetting them) are considered every step of the way. Government departments now employ muslims and islamic specialists to ensure that decisions they make will not upset muslims. The same courtesy is not given to other religions; Christians, Hindus, Seikhs I could go on.

      When the cartoons of Mohammed with a bomb on his head came out Muslims marched in Lodon with plaquards thereatening death and destruction to all Europeans and those who ahd spoken out agains Islam NO ONE WAS PROSECUTED.

      Jerry Springer the opera showed my God in a nappy. Those who protested were portrayed as a bit sad on the news and the BBC BROADCAST IT TO THE NATION.

      This is supposed to be a christian country, we have the church of England yet we do not even nominaly defend our own faith. In fact we treat it as a second class citizen!

      At least The australian goverment is trying.

      I would defend every bodys right to practice their own religion but I dont want to practice theirs and see no reason why my faith should not be given any less respect than theirs. At least the Australian goverment is trying. Ours has put up the white flag and hasn't tried to defend the state religion for years.

      I could go on but I dont want this to turn into a rant:p

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      At least The australian goverment is trying.

      I would defend every bodys right to practice their own religion but I dont want to practice theirs and see no reason why my faith should not be given any less respect than theirs. At least the Australian goverment is trying. Ours has put up the white flag and hasn't tried to defend the state religion for years.

      I could go on but I dont want this to turn into a rant:p

      Totally agree with you there Ali, everybody has a rights, and agree that in some cases some have more rights than others and it is not right.
      Before I got here I would have thought the same as you about the Oz government, but having lived here now for coming 18 months, I dont think they are much different than the UK gov. Being over 40, I can remember the changes in the UK when the country got more into others rights over the people of the country and I can see it slowly creeping in here! Like they say Adelaide is like the UK of the late 70s-early 80s.

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      great post!

      what a great post that is graandjac, that is why i admire australia so much .
      a government that is strong and will stand up for it's own country and beliefs unlike the U.K and brown/blair. not giving in a moaning scrounging outsiders who dont like there new adopted country. i add this as one of the reasons i am wanting to live in australia and when i get there i am looking forward to thinking of my self as an australian and acting like one also.
      when in rome do as the romans do is my motto.

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      Hi sarah
      I know I dont live in oz yet so to a certain extent I will have to wait and see what you can, but however much it might feel like the early 80's it is still 2007 their just like it is here. Their has to be a reason that those values have survived longer there than here. I also quite coincidentaly read this yesterday.

      Quote from barnabas aid september/october 2007

      The religious "vilification"case against Pastors Daniel Scott and Danny Nalliah was settled on 22nd June after mediation.The Victoria Civil and Administrative Tribunal met with the two pastors and representatives of the Islamic Council of Victoria (IVC), the organization which accused Daniel and Danny, and Catch Fire Ministries, following comments that were made by the pastors in a Vhristian meeting teaching on Islam. They had previously been foun guilty and ordered to make public appologies and also promise never again to repete similar statements anywhere in Australia. The supreme Court which heard Daniel and Danny's appeal against this decision, found that while the pastors had critisised some verses in the Qur'an they had also urged love for Muslims, not hate.

      Following the meeting a media relese was issued which, among other things, stated that both parties affermed the rights of each other, their communities and all pearsons "to adhear to and express their own religious beliefs" and " within the limits provided by the law, to robustly debate religion, including the right to critisise the religious belief of another in a free and democratic society".

      Taken them a while but it looks like they are trying to walk the walk as well as talk the talk

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      Hi Ali
      I hope you dont take offence at what I say because no offence is intended.
      I meet lots of people from all walks of life, and I have to say most people from Uk that I meet all say a similar things, ranging from " I didnt think the crime and drug scene was like it is in the UK" " I thought the government were going to be better" .
      The truth of it is, yes on some things the government are a little better, but in other things the governmet are worse, I think they are not as transparent as UK government.
      To be totally honest with you I dont know how they measure a "good" immigrant here.
      I think maybe it is their laid back attitude, their sense of humour. They openly call Italian or Greek origin people here "wogs". There are lots of old Italian immigrants here that cant speak English and have been here for years. There are lots of taxi drivers here that cant speak the lingo!
      It would be lovely to think and find the government and the way the country is run is better....but sadly it isnt really. I always say same sh*t but a shi**y bucket!
      This is not written in an attempt to put anyone off, beacause I would rather live here than the UK anyday and you would get me back there to live. I think ozzie people are more laid back and it rubs off on some of us!

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      i can't think that anyone would be affeneded:o.

      The problem as I see it (its only in my opinion) is the UK government are losing authority and governenace of the UK, they are tied in with the EU and America too much now so our independance is lost! Seems we can't have a sxxt without the EU having an opinion about it! I have a feeling thats where some of the problems stem from. As I see it Aus seem to still have independance and the overall say on policies, although most countries work together on global issues.

      No where is perfect, as we all have such varying ideas of what perfect is! If Aus is like what the UK was like in the 70/80's wow, i grew up in those years and would love to be able to offer my children that sort of life experiance:) it them that i worry about.

      Anyway thouhght I would offer my two pence worth, its is only my opinion and apparently i can be wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o




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      Hi Sarah
      I'm certainly not going to take offence. I dont think you said anything offencive anyway. Discusion is a great thing and other peoples opinions are just that and offten very informative.:) The way I figure it is dont put your opinions out their if your not prepared to see the other side of the point. I put my opinion out their didnt get anything offencive back just another point of view. :p

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      Quote Originally Posted by sarahsmartiepants View Post
      They openly call Italian or Greek origin people here "wogs".
      How bizarre!!!

      That was a term here in Blighty for asian immigrants. Westernised Oriental Gentlemen I believe was the acronym before it became an insult.

      I like people, states or countries that say it as it is. I don't hold to any pc stuff. Its good to know where you stand with people. I don't like people that smile at you and then snipe behind your back. If someone wanted to insult me I respect them much more if they did it to my face.
      As Ali says we are all different and good job too. Wouldn't life be boring if we all agreed about everything.



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