Take note Mr Brown....!!!!

[Guest graandjac]

Was sent this today....very interesting..........

 

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were

told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government

targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

 

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty

to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime

Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that

extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello,

seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical

clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not

accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were

made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a

country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then

Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.

 

"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two

laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and

another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with

parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would

prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another

country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better

option", Costello said.

 

 

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave,

he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to

move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson

later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept

local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want

to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian

values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear

off", he said.

 

 

 

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday

bysaying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's

mosques.

 

Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or

Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we

are offending some individual or their culture. Since the

terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in

patriotism by the majority of Australians."

 

 

 

"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the

'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the

possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not

against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who

is seeking a better life by coming to Australia " "However,

there are a few things that those who have recently come to our

country, and apparently some born here, need tounderstand."

"This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has

served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity.

And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society,

our own language and our own lifestyle."

 

"This culture has been developed over two centuries of

struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who

have sought freedom"

 

 

 

"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic,

Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if

you wish to become part of our society .. Learn the language!"

 

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,

right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men

and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and

this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to

display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then

I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new

home, because God is part of our culture."

 

"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we

ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful

enjoyment with us."

 

"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair

Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part

of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire

to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you

came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it

on others.

 

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will

allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are

done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our

Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly

encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian

freedom,

 

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."

 

 

 

"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to

come here.You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU

accepted."

 

 

 

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, BRITISH citizens

will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same

truths!

[Guest sarahsmartiepants]

When you get here you will see things changing here, like they did in the uk years back, were we had to start "bending to accomodate" different religions.

I work in an area of mainly older people, and they all say "when we came here we had to do the "bending" now it seems we are still bending to accomodate new immigrants.

When I lived in the UK I thought Yes I am going to a country whose government stood out there, but since I have been here I dont think they are any better than the UK governments. The politically correct ones are here too, but the news is doctored so you dont hear much. I think they have the theory that if its not on the news, it hasnt happened:biglaugh:.

sarah

[Guest ali@51]

 

 

 

 

 

I think most people know our religous views on here now and for those who dont we are commited christians.

 

The thing about this to me and I am quite happy to accept you might not agree with me is that at least the government is standing up and saying what it belives in. Your Primeminister has had the guts to stand up and say this is the way it should be, And he's right.

 

In Britain at the moment my religion is treated as superfluous and not important whereas the muslims ( and not upsetting them) are considered every step of the way. Government departments now employ muslims and islamic specialists to ensure that decisions they make will not upset muslims. The same courtesy is not given to other religions; Christians, Hindus, Seikhs I could go on.

 

When the cartoons of Mohammed with a bomb on his head came out Muslims marched in Lodon with plaquards thereatening death and destruction to all Europeans and those who ahd spoken out agains Islam NO ONE WAS PROSECUTED.

 

Jerry Springer the opera showed my God in a nappy. Those who protested were portrayed as a bit sad on the news and the BBC BROADCAST IT TO THE NATION.

 

This is supposed to be a christian country, we have the church of England yet we do not even nominaly defend our own faith. In fact we treat it as a second class citizen!

 

At least The australian goverment is trying.

 

I would defend every bodys right to practice their own religion but I dont want to practice theirs and see no reason why my faith should not be given any less respect than theirs. At least the Australian goverment is trying. Ours has put up the white flag and hasn't tried to defend the state religion for years.

 

I could go on but I dont want this to turn into a rant:p

 

 

[Guest sarahsmartiepants]

At least The australian goverment is trying.

 

I would defend every bodys right to practice their own religion but I dont want to practice theirs and see no reason why my faith should not be given any less respect than theirs. At least the Australian goverment is trying. Ours has put up the white flag and hasn't tried to defend the state religion for years.

 

I could go on but I dont want this to turn into a rant:p

 

 

Totally agree with you there Ali, everybody has a rights, and agree that in some cases some have more rights than others and it is not right.

Before I got here I would have thought the same as you about the Oz government, but having lived here now for coming 18 months, I dont think they are much different than the UK gov. Being over 40, I can remember the changes in the UK when the country got more into others rights over the people of the country and I can see it slowly creeping in here! Like they say Adelaide is like the UK of the late 70s-early 80s.

sarah

[Guest chillyanna]

what a great post that is graandjac, that is why i admire australia so much .

a government that is strong and will stand up for it's own country and beliefs unlike the U.K and brown/blair. not giving in a moaning scrounging outsiders who dont like there new adopted country. i add this as one of the reasons i am wanting to live in australia and when i get there i am looking forward to thinking of my self as an australian and acting like one also.

when in rome do as the romans do is my motto.

[Guest ali@51]

Hi sarah

I know I dont live in oz yet so to a certain extent I will have to wait and see what you can, but however much it might feel like the early 80's it is still 2007 their just like it is here. Their has to be a reason that those values have survived longer there than here. I also quite coincidentaly read this yesterday.

 

Quote from barnabas aid september/october 2007

 

The religious "vilification"case against Pastors Daniel Scott and Danny Nalliah was settled on 22nd June after mediation.The Victoria Civil and Administrative Tribunal met with the two pastors and representatives of the Islamic Council of Victoria (IVC), the organization which accused Daniel and Danny, and Catch Fire Ministries, following comments that were made by the pastors in a Vhristian meeting teaching on Islam. They had previously been foun guilty and ordered to make public appologies and also promise never again to repete similar statements anywhere in Australia. The supreme Court which heard Daniel and Danny's appeal against this decision, found that while the pastors had critisised some verses in the Qur'an they had also urged love for Muslims, not hate.

 

Following the meeting a media relese was issued which, among other things, stated that both parties affermed the rights of each other, their communities and all pearsons "to adhear to and express their own religious beliefs" and " within the limits provided by the law, to robustly debate religion, including the right to critisise the religious belief of another in a free and democratic society".

 

Taken them a while but it looks like they are trying to walk the walk as well as talk the talk

[Guest sarahsmartiepants]

Hi Ali

I hope you dont take offence at what I say because no offence is intended.

I meet lots of people from all walks of life, and I have to say most people from Uk that I meet all say a similar things, ranging from " I didnt think the crime and drug scene was like it is in the UK" " I thought the government were going to be better" .

The truth of it is, yes on some things the government are a little better, but in other things the governmet are worse, I think they are not as transparent as UK government.

To be totally honest with you I dont know how they measure a "good" immigrant here.

I think maybe it is their laid back attitude, their sense of humour. They openly call Italian or Greek origin people here "wogs". There are lots of old Italian immigrants here that cant speak English and have been here for years. There are lots of taxi drivers here that cant speak the lingo!

It would be lovely to think and find the government and the way the country is run is better....but sadly it isnt really. I always say same sh*t but a shi**y bucket!

This is not written in an attempt to put anyone off, beacause I would rather live here than the UK anyday and you would get me back there to live. I think ozzie people are more laid back and it rubs off on some of us!

sarah

[Guest nikkiandlee]

HI,

 

i can't think that anyone would be affeneded:o.

 

The problem as I see it (its only in my opinion) is the UK government are losing authority and governenace of the UK, they are tied in with the EU and America too much now so our independance is lost! Seems we can't have a sxxt without the EU having an opinion about it! I have a feeling thats where some of the problems stem from. As I see it Aus seem to still have independance and the overall say on policies, although most countries work together on global issues.

 

No where is perfect, as we all have such varying ideas of what perfect is! If Aus is like what the UK was like in the 70/80's wow, i grew up in those years and would love to be able to offer my children that sort of life experiance:) it them that i worry about.

 

Anyway thouhght I would offer my two pence worth, its is only my opinion and apparently i can be wrong !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Thanks

 

Nikki

 

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[Guest ali@51]

Hi Sarah

I'm certainly not going to take offence. I dont think you said anything offencive anyway. Discusion is a great thing and other peoples opinions are just that and offten very informative. The way I figure it is dont put your opinions out their if your not prepared to see the other side of the point. I put my opinion out their didnt get anything offencive back just another point of view.

[Guest Django]

They openly call Italian or Greek origin people here "wogs".

 

How bizarre!!!

 

That was a term here in Blighty for asian immigrants. Westernised Oriental Gentlemen I believe was the acronym before it became an insult.

 

I like people, states or countries that say it as it is. I don't hold to any pc stuff. Its good to know where you stand with people. I don't like people that smile at you and then snipe behind your back. If someone wanted to insult me I respect them much more if they did it to my face.

As Ali says we are all different and good job too. Wouldn't life be boring if we all agreed about everything.

 

Pete

[Guest sarahsmartiepants]

Yes Nikki, that is one way the government here is better, it makes up its own rules and doesnt let Europe tell them how to bend their bananas!!!

 

We are all different, which is what makes us interesting:elvis:. LOL.

sarah

[Guest Russfamily]

the fact of the matter is that this goverment and any other goverment want mass immagration to drive wages down for the likes of middle class britton which will lower inflation and make them look good. what they forget is that they dont drop the prices in the the shops and on your bills and things get harder and harder for u to make ends meet then the revolution starts or a new goverment or better still u get the ???? out of there which what all of us our doing.