Message to the parents...

[sidestep]

...of the person who pulled a knife on my son and his friend in the Hallett Cove servo on Friday night. I know his name so it won't take me long to find yours, or where you live. Try real hard not to piss me off again.

 

Edit: English accent by the way, hence the post here.

[Guest SusieOR]

Sounds serious...

[tinkertailerdog]

Not good, but don't you think it would be better going to the police so that next time the ars*holes don't get the opportunity to pull a knife and / or actually use it?

[sidestep]

"person" is far too kind a term. I prefer my original. Began with an F.

 

A report was made that evening. I've only learnt of the incident today.

 

Edit: as a bit of background, my son and his friend had left the car locked whilst going into the shop. The fu*wit in question tried to get into the car as there was an iphone or ipod on one of the front seats. When questioned as to what he was doing, the knife came out. I have zero tolerance for this.

[Guest moonraker1959]

Thats disgusting behaviour sidestep,hope they catch the idiots responsible!Did they get anything on cctv?

[Guest graemepugh]

Thats disgusting behaviour sidestep,hope they catch the idiots responsible!Did they get anything on cctv?

 

OMG. Is this common in Hallet Cove? We were looking at this area to move into. Is it a rough area or do you get this anywhere. I thought Oz was a safer place to bring kids up.

[bergkamp10]

read the advertiser online.plenty of petty crime here.probably down to the amount of drugs they like to use over here.

[Guest Adelaide_bound]

OMG. Is this common in Hallet Cove? We were looking at this area to move into. Is it a rough area or do you get this anywhere. I thought Oz was a safer place to bring kids up.

 

You're going to get crime where-ever you go, its human nature, no where is perfect - but statistically Australia has less crime that the UK (although also a far lower population - however I believe it is per head or something as well).

[Diane]

That's awful - how old were they? The servo must have security cameras so am sure ethe little so-and-sos will be caught. Just hope their parents ground them for at least the next year, little sh**s

 

Hope your lad's ok.

[jim and adel]

You're going to get crime where-ever you go, its human nature, no where is perfect - but statistically Australia has less crime that the UK (although also a far lower population - however I believe it is per head or something as well).

 

I'd be interested in seeing those stats. Plenty available that suggest no discernable difference apart from fear of crime being higher in UK (probably because of tabloid sensationalism). When it comes to serious crime, murder rates are slightly higher in Australia year in, year out.

 

Jim

[RockDr]

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1370.0~2010~Chapter~Personal%20crimes%20-%20assault%20(4.4.2)

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/crime/victims-of-crime/index.html

 

From what I can gather since they're presenting the data in different ways, looks like for your average adult, there's about a 3% chance of physical assault in any given year, in either country.

[Guest Squareman]

Statistics are all relative and can be manipulated to suit agendas. I was in the UK recently and no matter where we went, we heard stories of youngsters roaming the streets in gangs, mugging and stabbing people. They also go about smashing cars and vandalsing property as if its a hobby. I haven't seen too much of that here, although you definitely have a criminal element. Barring a few rare exceptions, you also don't seem to get really brazen crime here. The kids are also much better behaved here. In the UK, it seems fashionable to give it the 'do I look bovvered?' kind of attitude, whereas here, they're more 'traditional' i.e. they're little gits but there's no real harm in them. JMHO

[Guest cornish Busdriver]

"person" is far too kind a term. I prefer my original. Began with an F.

 

A report was made that evening. I've only learnt of the incident today.

 

Edit: as a bit of background, my son and his friend had left the car locked whilst going into the shop. The fu*wit in question tried to get into the car as there was an iphone or ipod on one of the front seats. When questioned as to what he was doing, the knife came out. I have zero tolerance for this.

 

I can understand your frustration and would probaly feel the same if this had happend to me but I'm afraid same rules apply here like the UK when it comes to leaving valuables in view when you leave the car.

Lock them away out of sight

[sidestep]

I shall await the results of the report to the Police. Once any proceedings are concluded I shall revisit this thread and post the name of this knuckle-dragging slack-jawed chav toe rag so as everyone knows his identity.

 

Who knows - he may currently be a friend of one of your children. At a guess you'd like to know, just in case.

[Guest Squareman]

Sounds like a rough neighbourhood....

[Diane]

In the UK, it seems fashionable to give it the 'do I look bovvered?' kind of attitude, whereas here, they're more 'traditional' i.e. they're little gits but there's no real harm in them. JMHO

 

Very sad that this was kids with an English accent doing this, but to be honest, wherever you get places settled by lots of English migrants you are going to get a few problems: you can't take kids from one environment and expect them to change overnight if the above is true.

[Guest Squareman]

Diane, I'm not sure you read my post properly. I was talking about kids in the UK, not migrants in Oz

[ianb]

I shall await the results of the report to the Police. Once any proceedings are concluded I shall revisit this thread and post the name of this knuckle-dragging slack-jawed chav toe rag so as everyone knows his identity.

 

Who knows - he may currently be a friend of one of your children. At a guess you'd like to know, just in case.

 

 

Understand your frustrations and must admit id be the same but be very very careful about posting a name on here guilty or not PIA would get hammered

[suzer]

Understand your frustrations and must admit id be the same but be very very careful about posting a name on here guilty or not PIA would get hammered

 

you also need to be careful of what you say on a public forum - for your own sake

[jim and adel]

Amazing how people love to bandy around statistics until they don't tally with their perception (often arrived at by 'stories' or wishful thinking rather than any real evidence) and then statistics suddenly become irrelevant. While there are differences in how crime is categorised and reported from place to place (state to state here, force to force in the UK), broad trends and comparisons can be made and are done so by authorities to help benchmark and determine best practice etc.

 

These stats - lots of sources available from both countries - show a higher fear of crime in the UK than in Aus (but not by much and the picture varies considerably when broken down further), probably because of higher publicity of crime in the UK. Actual crimes don't show much difference - sometimes higher in one place, sometimes the other and with various limitations (both places define certain crimes differently and collect data differently). Drug crime is high in Aus by any standard, not just comparing to UK, and murder is invaribly higher than UK but not by much.

 

If all the kids here are so much better behaved, I wonder who it is who does all the graffiti, glass etching, bus stop smashing and hoon driving?

 

Jim

[Guest Squareman]

I don't think anyone is saying they're ALL angels. As for the graffiti and hoon driving, I think you'll find that older 'kids' or young adults are behind a lot of these. When I mentioned kids, I was thinking more of younger kids, as opposed to 16+. The kids I spoke about in the UK, who roam the streets in gangs, are aged anywhere from 8 upwards, I would say. Nasty little so and so's. I've heard people on this board saying the same thing.

 

The point I was trying to make is that, based on my experience, kids in Oz have a more pleasant disposition about them. The UK is all about attitude and toughness. If you walk down Jetty rd and a kid bumps into you, they are more likely to apologise to you here, than if the same thing happened in the UK. In the 5 months I have been here, I have yet to encounter a single negative episode involving a kid, whereas in a month in the UK, there must have been at least 10 occasions over a month where I felt like reaching out and throttling someone. I remember one particular incident in Edinburgh where a group of 5 or 6 school boys, probably aged 13 or 14 were hanging around the pavement and as I walked past, one of them spat on the floor in front of me. The spit missed my foot by inches and I stopped and glared at the guy. Now, I'm not a weedy little bloke. I am 6ft and well over 100kgs, but he simply stared right back at me and then winked - the cocky sod. He was looking for an altercation and I was well up for taking his head of his shoulders, but you can't, can you?

 

It's this type of thing that I am referring to. I'm sure it exists here, but I saw it on a daily basis in the UK.

[browny]

I don't think anyone is saying they're ALL angels. As for the graffiti and hoon driving, I think you'll find that older 'kids' or young adults are behind a lot of these. When I mentioned kids, I was thinking more of younger kids, as opposed to 16+. The kids I spoke about in the UK, who roam the streets in gangs, are aged anywhere from 8 upwards, I would say. Nasty little so and so's. I've heard people on this board saying the same thing.

 

The point I was trying to make is that, based on my experience, kids in Oz have a more pleasant disposition about them. The UK is all about attitude and toughness. If you walk down Jetty rd and a kid bumps into you, they are more likely to apologise to you here, than if the same thing happened in the UK. In the 5 months I have been here, I have yet to encounter a single negative episode involving a kid, whereas in a month in the UK, there must have been at least 10 occasions over a month where I felt like reaching out and throttling someone. I remember one particular incident in Edinburgh where a group of 5 or 6 school boys, probably aged 13 or 14 were hanging around the pavement and as I walked past, one of them spat on the floor in front of me. The spit missed my foot by inches and I stopped and glared at the guy. Now, I'm not a weedy little bloke. I am 6ft and well over 100kgs, but he simply stared right back at me and then winked - the cocky sod. He was looking for an altercation and I was well up for taking his head of his shoulders, but you can't, can you?

 

It's this type of thing that I am referring to. I'm sure it exists here, but I saw it on a daily basis in the UK.

 

I agree, i have been here 7 months and for a couple of months did not have a car so buses was my means of transport. I have 2 children 3 & 7 plus a pushchair and on several occasions when i got onto a bus a teenager would help / give up a seat etc. A few times they would even talk to me!!!!! (on a separate note bus drivers are great here too:D)

 

I am sure there are the areas in Adelaide where kids are exactly like those in bad areas in the UK but my experience so far is a good one - long may it continue.

[Guest Fluterby]

Squareman

I thought you were a dwarf? Thats what you said in another post.

David

[Guest Squareman]

Yeah, but I had a growth spurt. Think its the sea air..........

[Diane]

Diane, I'm not sure you read my post properly. I was talking about kids in the UK, not migrants in Oz

 

 

Hi Squareman

Yes, I did understand and read your post correctly and what I was saying is that if people move over from the UK bringing with them teenagers who have up till then spent their time in that culture (the "whatever" type culture) then they cannot be expected to instantly start behaving as "Australian" teens.

 

I agree that teens here seem much more "civilised" in many ways than those I came across in the UK (bearing in mind my kids weren't teens there, and are here, so perhaps my contact with teens in the UK wasn't as broad as my contact with south aussie teens is now), and hopefully kids that move with their parents from the UK from here will gradually chill out a little and become more "human", but what I was saying is that sort of thing doesn't happen overnight, so places with a high percentage of newish migrant families might suffer for a while from "UK-attitudes".

 

One of the things that impressed us most when we first arrived here was how a visiting teenager would stop and chat with their friends' parents and friends, rather than just passing through with a grunt! I think a lot of that is down to the way that families socialise together a lot more here in one way or another.