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      Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced View Post
      I don't know how what I said can be looked as xenophobic I was merely giving an example where returning citizens often comeback with a family.
      Also, I stated that I believed Diane raised a very valid issue.
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      No, Misplaced, I said the 'thread was (not a ) xenophobic tirade' .

      I did feel a bit affronted though, rightly or wrongly, that when you said that maybe 'only the native should work'. I know you were only playing with ideas but that was a horrible idea! Obviously there are many situations where applicants get a foot in the door because of someone they know or even because they have the 'right' accent but the idea that any system should deliberately weed out applicants because they are not Australian goes against what it is to be Australian, surely?

      I think people have taken this whole argument a little personally (that's not directed at you, btw Misplaced!) and whilst I understand why it might make potential migrants reassess the timing of their migration, I don't think anyone should use this thread alone to permanently change their plans. Remember, this thread is using what we can see happening around us and how things have changed over some years to look at the future. That's all good but we might be too close to the situation to see clearly.

      For those about to make the decision, use the thread, do as much research as you can and take on board that things here are not as rosy as they once were.....or may be again. Maybe wait if your situation is good in the UK and come out later. Or retain your home in the UK, come here and see how it goes? Migration is about attitude and I don't believe keeping a house in another country means you are not determined to make things work. If that's a ridiculously expensive idea, sorry :(

      Ok! i'm doing my rambling thing again! Off to bed lol!

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      I reckon the only way forward with this whole thing is to not allow any immigrants in until all those born in Australia have a job and when they have a job those that hold an Aussie passport next and if there are jobs left fill them with migrants that have the skills required.........sorted!





















      And now taking cover.......
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      Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced View Post
      I reckon the only way forward with this whole thing is to not allow any immigrants in until all those born in Australia have a job and when they have a job those that hold an Aussie passport next and if there are jobs left fill them with migrants that have the skills required.........sorted!





















      And now taking cover.......
      I have a better idea. We make all the Aussies come and live in the UK, all 23m of them, but then 23m of us get to go the Australia (those already with visas get priority, obviously).

      See how you all like a bad economy combined with crappy weather.
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      Quote Originally Posted by guspjmh View Post
      I have a better idea. We make all the Aussies come and live in the UK, all 23m of them, but then 23m of us get to go the Australia (those already with visas get priority, obviously).

      See how you all like a bad economy combined with crappy weather.
      Love it! Mind that would basically mean 23million POMS coming home...lol
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      Quote Originally Posted by Misplaced View Post
      Love it! Mind that would basically mean 23million POMS coming home...lol
      Hello all,
      I've been following this thread with a mixture of interest and building nervousness for the last week or so! My husband and I were granted our PR visas a little over a year ago and came over to Adelaide to activate them in August last year. We're both relatively senior and experienced in our respective professions (my husband's field is IT/computer/analyst programmer) whereas my specialist field is economic/regional/international development policy with the UK Government, which is relevant to many of the agendas of the SA Strategic Plan.

      We both developed our networks via tools like LinkedIn, and set up introductory meetings prior to coming over last August with IT recruiters and relevant departments within the SA Government, which all went well. We even checked back recently with one of the IT contacts who assured us the opportunities are still there. To be honest, neither of us would be accepting of starting at a significantly junior level in Australia, especially when we both had positive skills assessments during the visa application process, and considering the costs of living in Oz. We're both really up for the move, and like many aspiring immigrants, have been putting the ground work in preparing for it and jumping through all the various hoops for the last 2 years. We were also offered state sponsorship by Victoria, but felt that SA could offer a more appealing lifestyle, less expensive house prices and not the hustle and pollution of a big city .... albeit Melbourne is only an hours flight away. Plus we know a couple of people in Adelaide.

      But now we are pondering what if we can't find decent jobs in SA - could we move to Melbourne of Sydney instead? I know someone else in a previous post mentioned the 'moral' obligation you have to live in SA for 2 years, but bottom line is if the SA Gov has been misleading in highlighting the skills shortages within specific professions, and you can't find a decent job, how could you stay? Even though it genuinely was your first choice?

      We're also considering the potential option of moving to another country where our skills are in demand with a view to moving to Adelaide towards the end of our visa entry deadline (2017) when things would have hopefully improved, if they really are going down-hill now.

      Best Wishes to you all.
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      There is differing demand for different professions/jobs. Yes there are jobs here and yes there are areas with shortages. Just dont assume that because you have a visa there are jobs in your profession widely available. Do your research thoroughly and find out for yourself. For as many people that come out and struggle , theres just as many that come out and find jobs easy and find things great.
      Its not all doom and gloom :)
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      And bear in mind that (I assume) most of us commenting from here only have a relatively small view of the circumstances affecting those we know. We don't have the full helicopter view of the whole job market affecting every single trade, industry and profession. Just do your research - if, as a couple of people on here have done, you have spoken to companies here, or specialist recruiters here, lined up interviews or chats with people for when you get here, perhaps even had Skype interviews, and it sounds like you'll be ok, or you have a job to come to, don't let a single thread on a single site make you change your minds. If you are planning on uprooting and moving your family halfway across the world, presumably you would do as much research as possible, and not just base that decision on a few government ads showing smiley happy people dancing in the sunshine along a golden beach?

      Balance is everything.
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      Quote Originally Posted by guspjmh View Post
      All people are doing is sharing experiences and stories from family or friends who have had some success; surely these experiences are every bit as relevant as your own? It seems a large part of the job problems are down to what sector you work in.

      I did a seek search in Adelaide for jobs in my field which I am qualified for and then repeated in Wales, UK. There are over 3 times as many available positions (permanent only) in Adelaide. Also, when I met with a recruiter she advised that the last UK migrant she dealt with (at the end of last year) had already secured a job via skype before arriving.

      I'm not saying it's all rosy, but in my industry there certainly appears to be more opportunity in Adelaide than the UK right now.
      Great if there are plenty of opportunities in your occupation, but that's not the case generally.

      The UK was hit hard by the GFC and Australia (because of China, pure and simple) wasn't. Parts of Australia probably won't get an economic hit soon - Melbourne's skyline changes every time I visit and there's seemingly no slowdown in construction activity; the plans for Sydney's Darling Harbour redevelopment will be a huge boost there, and there are plenty of other things happening in NSW; Brisbane is still busy repairing from the floods (they'll be finished just in time for the next flood to destroy what they've repaired ...); Perth is Perth, outperforming everywhere else by a country mile. It's places like Tas, NT and SA that are feeling the pinch. SA in particular has been hit by several blows and the implications are only just being felt. How long the downturn goes for and how bad it gets we'll have to wait and find out.

      Do I think that stopping migrants coming will solve the problem? Of course not. Migration economics are well known (and nobody has practised them as well as Aus governments), and without migrants this place would collapse. The point I'm making is that anyone who's managed to ride out the GFC in the UK and still be in a job, with a house etc should think carefully about coming to a place that's being hit from all sides at the moment.

      Are there still jobs here? Sure, sometimes they're even in a person's chosen profession and with good money, but they're far fewer on the ground than two or three years ago and the signs aren't good that things will improve any time soon. It's common for people to say they'll 'do anything' when they arrive. I applaud the resolve, but I couldn't get by doing 'anything' nor would I give up a decent job and move across the world in order to do so. There's a steady number of people who return to their home countries after long stints of doing 'anything', with savings depleted and dreams shattered.

      Oh, and you might want to check that the recruiter you met with still has a job of his/her own - I've had half a dozen of them contact me in recent weeks who were being laid off (from different agencies dealing with all kinds of industries) because work has fallen off a cliff.

      ​Jim
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      Also just on the subject of job ads, some places have to go through the motions of advertising a position when it is in fact already earmarked for someone internally, or someone they know. Or even already offered. So lots of ads doesn't necessarily mean lots of available jobs.

      There has also been suspicion about recruitment consultants (not my favourite breed I admit) advertising jobs, and interviewing candidates, when the job doesn't actually exist, and it's just a way to get more people on their books, to make them as a job agency look better to any prospective company ("You should definitely employ our company to fill any vacancies you have, look how many great candidates we have on our books!")
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      Is part of the reasonyou and your daughter think its cheaper in th UK down to exchange rate? We have been visiting Australia on and off for the last 15 years and when we first came it was close on $2.8 to 1 now its less than $1.5 so when we came over last year we thought everything was expensive. I am not sure how the minimum wage works but ours has just gone up to 6.31 which is less than $10. I believe and may be wrong that the Australian min wage is $15.96 an hour so thats about 60% higher than the UK. Obviously this only applies if you have a job.
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      That's exactly how I feel - not only is the exchange rate horrendous, but the job situation is a lot worse than it has been in the past, the cost of everyday living a lot higher. Yes, maybe it is still better than in the UK, but it is heading the same way in terms of costs - in fact worse as many people who visit the UK at the moment (and my daughter is there currently so I do know what I'm talking about) comment on how cheap everything is in England in comparison to here, so if things don't improve, in a year or two's time, it will be in the same situation as the UK is now.

      If you haven't already done so, have a read of the Indaily article I posted a link to, where it is pointed out how all the hype about South Australia's economy spouted by politicians and the Advertiser has been revealed as totally without foundation. The "time to boom, just like WA" has been and gone with no boom happening!

     

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