IT Jobs & Recruitment Agencies in Adelaide
I have seen bits and pieces spread around the place regarding work in IT, agencies etc so I thought I'd share some stuff from my own experience.
I have been here 7 years, came as Skilled and got my citizenship after 2 years as that is the minimum waiting period. Which means I can apply for jobs everywhere, well, almost ...
First thing you need to know is that unless you are a citizen you CANNOT apply for Government jobs and that includes DEFENCE. Simple as that. Unless you are a massive and I mean a HUGELY famous IT personality, they will reject your application.
Second thing you need to know is DO NOT TRUST recruitment agencies. Here are some reasons:
- they do not have much in terms of regulations meaning they can lie to you on how much they make out of your contract / permanent position and there is nothing you can do about it.
- they have these performance indicators (so they get their bonuses) including updating contacts, new contacts (job seekers) and of course clients (employers) so do not be surprised if an agent gives you a call out of the blue just to say hi and see how you're going. They don't care. It's work for them to update your details.
- if you're lucky and they find you a job, congrats you'll be making money which is what you need but they will also make heaps of money simply because they put you in a job.
I know of a site that has a lot of stories on this subject so send me a PM as I do not wish to write it here, might get a slap on my delicate wrists
Here are some examples from my own personal experience:
- The best chance you have to get a job is via people you know / friends / word of mouth. That IS your best bet. That's how I got the job I am currently on (3 years on)
- Second best bet is jobs advertised directly by employers, no recruitment agency in the middle. Unfortunately this is very rare and you need to keep looking as they do come out sometimes.
- I have applied for over 50 jobs via agencies at a certain stage and 5-6 as advertised by employers. All jobs advertised by employers got me to the interview stage (except for one), only 5 agencies (OUT OF 50) bothered to contact me and had no interview.
I have had a horrible experience dealing with these people and I have a lot of stories and examples from my own experience. It even happened here on this site . This guy puts an ad with "contact me urgently" blah blah blah, I sent him an email the next day, rang his office three times and guess what? NO ANSWER, they never called back, never replied to my emails.
I thought (still think sometimes) there's got to be something wrong with me, I must be defective somehow since I've never had any luck with the agents so here are some details about me:
- 2 x MCSE certifications
- Microsoft Certified Trainer
- Cisco CCNA
- CAD instructor
- Project Management and over 10 years at senior level
- strong SCADA experience
and so on....
Anyway, hope this long and boring post has helped somehow, any questions I'm happy to help.
Thanks very much for your post, very helpful as my husband is in IT, and have been searching for jobs in SA.
We are currantly in the process of (hopefully) gaining SA sponsorship, only to just find out that the government has yet again changed the processing priorities!!!! As he is an IT Manager (not on MODL or CSL) we have found ourselves at the botton of the processing pile!!!! At the moment they are saying that its going to be 2012 before these visas are granted!!!
The only other option now (to get there any quicker) is job sponsorship and I have been researching ENS and RSMS looking for employers, do you know if there are companies out there still willing to sponsor IT Managers, and where might be the best place to look?
I have registered him with a few employment agencies in Adelaide, but after what you have said I dont think we will want to use them, and none have even got back to us!!!!!!!!! As you say!! (we also trawl SEEK, MYCAREER and CAREERONE)
Any advice and help would be greatly appreciated.
As for knowing people in the right places, my folks live in Brisbane, so dont know anyone in SA, if you could point us in the right direction and share your stories it would be fantastic.
Clearly, you've had some bad experiences with Agents, but I think it's wrong to simply state not to use them. I've had great experience with nearly all of my Agents. I'm not bothered about their cut, I've never asked, all I know is that they're free and they do their utmost to get me a job!
Agents have helped me to get nearly every Job I've ever had, sure knowing someone in the company you're applying for is a good way of getting a position, but how often does that happen? I also work in IT, my advice is to try all avenues and not close any off. Don't hurt your chances of getting a job because you don't think a particular avenue won't work.
Without a doubt IT jobs in Adelaide are slim pickings, often it's not the best skilled person who will get a job, but rather the cheapest - this is especially the case here in Adelaide because you don't need to be an expert to get by. Take a look at the TV Ads and Websites made here for instance, they're mostly crap. Why employ a world famous Film Director, when someone fresh out of Uni will do just fine in the Adelaide environment.
As Philip said, by all means TRY ALL AVENUES folks, that was purely what had happened to me and the way I feel about things.
I really hope it won't lead any of you to the same level of disgust and sick as it did me. As for the "They are free" part trust me, they're not. If you are on a $30 per hour job, rest assured they make $10 which is 25% of what they employer pays for having you there.
Jillabong - when it comes to companies looking for IT Managers there have been some posts lately, most of which are by recruitment agencies. I honestly do not think you can talk them into talking the employer into sponsoring you, sorry to say it but I think that's how things are. Sorry about the changes to the visa processing thing, it sucks big time. I had to wait almost 2 years for my independent skilled to come through.
I would also keep a close eye on Brisbane. From what I've seen so far, Sydney and Melbourne are the two biggest chances to land a job in IT (better paid than similar positions in other states too) and it also seems that agencies over there are not as bad as the ones in Adelaide.
I got to the point of feeling sick to the stomach before I contact a recruiter I know it's stupid but that's the truth.
Last edited by Pom2Be; 28-09-2009 at 01:51 PM.
Yes, I'd second pretty much all of the original post here....which is why my husband has set up on his own in order to keep his IT hand in, and doing a mind numbing second job to really keep our heads above water.
FYI you can apply for Government jobs if you are not a citizen; you simply need to be a permanent resident (for SA Govt jobs at least).
Agencies are very very helpful, and IT jobs aren't slim pickings if you have good experience. As I've said before, my husband had 3 offers within 2 weeks of arriving here, all from agencies, and got a perm job he is still in by going this route. Don't write agencies off; they will be the hand that feeds you here in the IT industry!
Last edited by suzer; 29-09-2009 at 12:08 AM.
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I disagree with the comment 'agencies are very very helpful.' Imo and personal experience of them, this is in fact the opposite. I have had rather bad experiences with recruitment agents who don't bother to call or acknowledge you even exist.
Originally Posted by suzer
Also, the o/p was giving their opinion on personal experience, so how can you question that?
Interesting and useful post, several things I agree with, and were I an IT professional I'm not sure that SA would be my location of choice, but just a few points of difference (easiest to comment directly onto your post but I'm not trying to pick it apart).
Originally Posted by Pom2Be
Just giving a different experience. It all depends on the person, their experience, how they go about contacting the agency and when (you need to already be in Australia, time of year, dependent on how the economy is going, etc...there are many factors in play). I've worked through recruitment agencies in 4 different countries, with no problems finding work...same with my husband. This poster is putting a negative viewpoint out there for all to get discouraged by...so I'm balancing it with something positive. Many of us get our first jobs here through agencies.
Originally Posted by Anne29
This poster is putting a negative viewpoint out there for all to get discouraged by...so I'm balancing it with something positive. Many of us get our first jobs here through agencies.
If you think this story is a figment of my imagination to play funny games on people who want to come here and start all over again you're wrong. That's how it all worked for me, glad to hear these oxygen wasters can actually help some people.
@jim and adel
Ditto my last remark - do you expect them to do it for nothing? This is how they earn a living; they don't exist for altruistic reasons.)
I agree of course they need to make their money somehow. Let me give you an example that would substantiate my point:
-a very good friend of mine applied for contracting jobs with this agency. They called him, asked him his rates and he said $60 to $70 per hour. They said that's a bit over the customer's budget, if you could lower it to $50 that would be perfect so he did.
Six months into the contract after the employer saw the quality of his work and his professionalism they made this remark to him "We are very happy to have found you and only pay $100 per hour for you".
So the agency got him to lower his rate so they can make more they were actually making $50 just as much as my friend did. Now tell me if you find it fair.