That's made me feel much better
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It does get my goat up some times when a very very small percentage speak before thinking. A forum is not meant to be offensive and i find the above offensive and well, small minded.
Therefore this has prompted me to add a quote from an Aussie news paper, which all brits should read and make there final decision before buying their one way tickets!
Australia- The Right to Leave
After Sydney not wanting to offend other cultures by putting up Xmas lights.
After hearing that the State of South Australia changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered.
This prompted this editorial written by an Australian citizen. Published in an Australian newspaper.
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It! I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!
'In God We Trust' is our National Motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you
consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture
If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.
We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from.
This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this.
But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our National Motto, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE!
If you aren't happy here then move on! We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted. Pretty easy really, when you think about it.
Originally Posted by weesp
I would just like to my two penneth in.
We have been here for 7 months now. At first I was enjoying it, positive, its a new country, going to be different etc etc and yes we have spent, spent, spent, spent and spent.
Now the holiday feeling has worn off, not sure that I want to raise my kids here.
Firstly, I can't give the kids what they had in the UK nowhere near it, I'm forever saying NO. We are struggling like we was 20 years ago! My OH is a painter & decorator on s**t wages, I work partime and still we struggle. My 3 boys are into football which the fees are totally extortionate 3 times more expensive than the UK. The Aussies think that our tradesmen are only good for digging holes and he's been told that by one! My OH is a fully qualified P&D had his own business for 4 years in the UK. How does that work that you can get $25 for cleaning and $24/28 for a skilled electrician or tradie!!!!!!!! Yeah the beaches are good when u can swim in them if theyve not been closed due to SHARKS. The barbies are great but beer and wine every weekend costs a fortune, money we aint got. Our food bill is above the UK. Somebody else mentioned the drivers here, that u take your life into your own hands. There is crime here, it goes on all the time, they just dont print it thats why it seems lower. My kids are on the street and see what goes on. There was a stabbing, fights and a rape on NYE at Glenelg and that was a good one!!!!!!!!
U dont need a crystal ball to see that you'll always be broke here. I know the UK is in depression, but least u get free schooling, free medicare.
I knew it would be hard, but truely not this hard, we're on the 495 temp so get no help, we are friendly people and have made some great friends all English, our Aussie neighbours dont want to mingle with us brits. Our friends, who have lived in Sydney and Perth, said that SA is the most racist towards the brits!!!! Really dont want to stay in Adelaide are thinking of going to Perth where it is more modern and people are more friendly.
I felt I had to reply to this I am an electrician and dont know where you get your wages from but I earn more than the wages you put for sparkies as for unfriendly aussies I have found it the complete opposite and have quite a few aussie friends from the building sites I have worked on yes over here we have to dig trenches but so do the aussie sparks we dug one the other day me and an aussie spark :) as for p&d wages the ones I have worked with earn nearly as much as me and I am earning more than I was in the uk with more fringe benefits
Its not all doom and gloom I actually look forward to going to work now and the day flies past I have had no racism towards me yea sure we take the pee out of each other but its friendly banter and no malice in it
some things are more expensive here yes shopping for one
as for crime we go out quite a lot and have not seen any yes it goes on but not nearly as much as in the uk
So all in all we are loving our new life in australia and have been here for 8 months now and a lot more years to come I hope :)
Hey Lynne (Weesp) you seem to have it particularly tough at the moment.
It does get better in time.You are out of the honeymoon period now.You should have finished replacing stuff from the UK so surely expenditure should drop?
As for the Aussie - we find em' lovely and helpful,very accepting of us.
Not picking a fight but I think you guys have just hit a lot of bad luck in meeting Aussies.
Hope things turn around soon.
I myself have looked at this thread with interest and frankly the saying" there but for the grace of god go i"
I really fail to understand why Weesp has received such condemnation for telling what is ultimately the truth of her life in Adelaide.Personally i can unfortunately identify with a lot of what Weesp says and i have been here 3 and a half yrs.
My husband is in the motortrade here and the treatment he has received since he arrived here totally disgusts me and the sad thing is despite all the ill treatment he has tried to pick himself up and go on to the next job. I wish his optimism could be matched by some decency on the part of the employers.
Due to frequently changing jobs to try and improve his wage and being made redundant three times in the last yr,he has had since we arrived over three and a half yrs ago i kid you not ,three and a half weeks holiday in total,two of which taken at his bosses behest ,whilst i was visiting my sick mum in Uk,so we have had i and a half weeks together in all that time.Family wise it has almost destroyed us.So much for Oz providing quality time together as a family.
He has worked overall worked much longer hrs here than the uk.Our daughter has had a lot of health issues since we arrived and we were told by drs that other problems may arise, as a result and without family support it has therefore been impossible as a consequence for me to get a job
.I was a litigation lawyer in the UK,but very stressed as a result and thought coming here cheaper housing etc i could have a less stressful life here ,i can honestly say hand on heart ,that without doubt this has been the most stressful three and a half yrs of my life.
We have gone from a very comfortable lifestyle to near poverty.The guilt i feel about not being able to afford to continue to send my daughter to her catholic high school, or get her braces done is horrendous.
Think very carefully about what you have in uk, sadly optimism that everything will turn out ok is often not enough.You might say that i will do anything to make money,but you may not necessarily be given that chance by employers here.
I would love to have barbies for my friends, but agree with Weesp that i can hardly afford to feed us.I have celiac disease and food allergies so have to buy a lot of fruit and vegs and as much organic food as possible so our bill is even higher,but i agree generally food here is m ore expensive.
With regard to the racism aspect i have seen it quite often.There is a lot of narrow mindedness amongst certain aussies here generally those who have never left the state.
I agree that the Uk is too politically correct, but that does not mean open racism is acceptable either.A young ethnic lad at my daughters school was openly referred to as Chocco,I am sorry but i find that disgusting.I have heard kids frequently saying Retard and Spazzo,again disgusting.
At a recent school event i heard a parent say" no wander we are all getting ill with all these immigrants bloody coming here".Again narrowminded.
Aussies i understand are reluctant to befriend immigrants as they so often move, or go back home so can understand that aspect.
Crime here i think generally from my perspective is less but i know is not reported as well as uk.
Right to leave,not necessarily so, as financially not always viable.Be careful about staying longer it doesnt always get better ,it can often get a lot worse.
I know 100% that if i had had a crystal ball i would have returned to UK as for us in terms of financial security, wellbeing and family support it was the best option.
I am not being alarmist, but truthful.I know many people whose life is better,but the majority financially are worse off and in such a volatile economic world, risks with family life is not such an easy option.
The long term damage to family life if it goes wrong can be irrepairable and that is a price no one wants to pay.
RIGHT!!!!! I have read this post all morning and want to throw my twopen'orth in, please.
Firstly; we have left the UK for a reason, what was that reason? i am sure you all have one, and many have said why. I personally believe that many of us left because we are so disillusioned with our homeland, we decided to get out while we COULD.
Of course we miss family and friends, thats normal, but a little effort will get us new ones here! That is why we use PIA, isnt it???????
Rentals; bloody good luck to those "self-serving" (not my opinion) people who have short term lets for the use of. A few folk have been ripped off by taking holiday lets at 3 times the cost; I consider these people a useful resource for new migrants, especially as not everyone can get/ is elegible for OAA.
Health care; reciprocal health care is available; you then only need to "add on" the dentist, optitian; g.p. unless you actually must have FULL insurance, for your own reasons. We, as a family of 6 pay $38 a month, cheap as...........
Jobs; ok i am lucky, i really like my job and my colleagues, and found the aussies to be helpful, tolerant (in the main) and to hear of "threats of violence" has me wondering why this hasnt been reported to the boss, or better yet, the police!! You wouldn't tolerate that in the uk, so why here?
Food; ok, some stuff is expensive, but the quality is better. Given this country is as big as EUROPE, hardly a shock that some foodstuff costs more.............ever heard of transport/ storage costs???? Ok, we cant get 9p tins of beans, and 50p bread, it something we will have to deal with. You can of course, grow your own veggies..........tomatoes, onions, etc in pots!!!! Many of my colleagues actually do, and with varying the crops they grow, they swap produce, saving somewhere in the region of $20 per week. I am turning my little plot into a market garden, so please feel free to get feudal..............although i draw the line at pigs and chooks.
Clothes; ok, i agree, and my daughter would too. Designer tramp? WTF is that about? $150 for a pair of cut off short that wouldnt cover a dolls arse, let alone a 10 year old's. Next and Mn S do have international deliveries, and for thse fortunate enough to have rellies, Primark, Asda etc are excellent value. I have a brother and a dad, not much use for buying ones foundation garments, so i will rely on girlfriend and her daughters! Admittedly, the cost is high, but you pays for quality my lovers!
I am so sorry for anyone who is having a bad time of it; and i am not critising them for saying so; that is what the forum is, getting support and a shoulder to cry on when times are tough, and having a laugh with others in the same boat!!
Reading BB's post, well, yes, we chose to be here, we have to put the effort in to get something out; and yes, we all have the right to leave!!! How many times have we said that back "home" about bitchin migrants????? And here we are doing the same thing!!!
So, guys,and gals, endeth the sermon. Gd bless and good luck
it is true australia is not for everyone because everyone differs all I was saying is from my experience here we have had a very good time I am on more money we have just bought a house on my wages alone we could never have done that in the uk
as for racism I have not experienced any so far thats not to say it doesnt go on all the aussies I have met have been nothing but friendly :)
It just ain't for some here.
I really cannot understand why it is for some and not for others.
Some of what has been posted sounds totally alien to me and seems to be an alternate country to the Australia I'm living in.
We are now involved in some volunteer work as well - we feel thoroughly welcomed and accepted.
To me, its like we all got off the plane in different places. I got off at the same Adelaide as Russell. I have found the locals not only friendly but overly so. A guy who put my tv in the back of my car firstly asked about my accent and how long I'd been here. He then ran into the shop and back out again with a piece of paper. Written on it was his personal phone number and told me that if there was anything I was unsure of, couldn't find or anything else to give him a ring. One of the guys who came to sort the carpet out after the flood is on the look out for a job for me.
I haven't come across anyone that has had 'an attitude' except for a couple of brits I unfortunately came across at a petrol station one evening. I'm sure they are out there somewhere as they are everywhere in every country. If I did I certainly wouldn't tar all aussies with the same brush.
We are well out of holiday mode and into the daily grind. Yes beer and wine is expensive but then we don't drink a great deal. Food shopping can be more expensive but it can also be cheaper. It all depends on what you buy and where you buy it.
The one thing I will say is this. In the UK we both worked. We struggled. Tracey got paid into the bank on one day and on the next the account was empty and some bills went unpaid. Over here only Tracey works at the moment and we still have money left in the bank when she gets paid again. So I can't see how Oz is more expensive than the UK overall. Yes some things are more expensive they are bound to be. Somethings however are a lot cheaper. It takes time to find out where to but stuff and what indeed to buy.