09-01-2009, 04:25 AM #131
I think you need to stop being SO BRITISH and lighten up. You have all been brainwawshed by the PC brigade. Thank God I got out in 1990.
Originally Posted by sduffy
Chocco is not racist - hell, the manager of the Port Adelaide FC is called Chocco. They call him Chocco when interviewing him on the news, he even calls himself Chocco. There is nothing racist about it at all. I have never come across any form of racism in all the time I've been in Adelaide. How can you think POMS (you probably think that is a racist term) would be treated bad because of their "race" - about 45% of Adelaide is from the UK, or UK stock.
I think a lot of problems are caused by attitude - not coming with the right one!! Some people seem to come here and then not embrace it, try to change it back to exactly what they have just left. It's not going to work.
I understand a lot of you newer arrivals are stuggling more than you expected to and I do appreciate that. But the problem is not with Australians or lack of material things. It's due to the type of visa you are on. The 457 and 475 is a short cut to get here quicker. I promise you all when you are permanent residents, its will be better. I've never paid anything to go to the doctors, or to hospital. If Aus did what the UK did and opened up social security to everyone, the first day they arrived from a foreign country - what would you have - another Britain, broke and going down the drain.
I hope the people struggling on here do get a break soon because Adelaide is a wonderful place to live and can give you a fantastic life - if you just let it.
09-01-2009, 04:29 AM #132
Its getting a bit heated now....
Im in the loving it brigade, but ive never said its easy!
It is damn hard work rebuilding our lives here, it would be anywhere - people speaking english makes it a whole lot easier i think than in another foreign country - we've pretty much started from scratch here, with very little money - we didnt have a house to sell (we saved for this adventure), with teens who hated us for bringing them here and who set out to cause the upmost upset they possibly could, my hub has been laid off work twice - there is virtually no work here in manufacturing yet its still on the modl list/critical list - im now working, sooner than i planned and not doing what i planned - taken a 10year career stepbackwards, back to being a chef.
If something could go tits up then mark my words - itl happen to us! We've had "the" call back to the uk, seen the inside of too many police cells, suffered extreme money worries, been in A&E with the kids, had medical problems, life & death.....
But I know im happy here, my teens say they want to return to the uk for a cple of weeks but they want to stay here - that alone bought tears to my eyes, my lil kids are very happy, they love school, they have loads of friends, they love the life here - our fun is usually free fun - family time out together - which is the best and most valuable kind of fun.
Rome wasnt built in a day - and i cant rebuild my old life in weeks/months - it took years to make the life i had and the friends i had. I've been amazingly fortunate to have made wonderful friends here, and i feel blessed that even though life has been extremely hard here its still amazing!
I cry most days for my family in the uk - but distance doesnt change a thing - theres nothing really i could do there that i cant do here (cept a hug) - before my nephew died i didnt get upset about family - sounds harsh but its true.
09-01-2009, 05:15 AM #133
Urmmm you would really know what its all about living in the UK !!!! I would reserve your judgements until you experience it yourself.
09-01-2009, 05:21 AM #134
Going back..should we do it?
KAZZARAZZA,please forgive my ignorance i had not realised that the manager of Port Adelaide was a young indian lad,which was the example i was providing.If treating people with dignity and respect is British, then British i will be any day.
You are right i do have the wrong attitude, because i am not prepared to be here and accept that it is ok for my husband being treated like dirt in a backward industry.He has tried and tried to see the bright side but it doesnt exist .He worked for someone who was born in Australia ,but who came from a european background and was treated appallingly in trades here because of it. You should hearhis views on racism and he was born here.
Like anywhere peop0le will see what they want to see.
My husband is no wallflower and comes from one of the poorest and roughest areas of Glasgow and even he has been worn down by the degradation and humiliation he has been subjected to here.Until you have lived it you dont know.We came for a quality of life not a much worse one.
We have been on PR since we came and as we didnt want to throw in the towel we became citizens,so even if you are on permanent visas it isnt always a picnic.
It is not a case of material things it is a case of bloody food on the table.
09-01-2009, 05:21 AM #135
Thanks Denise, I've never been called Fiesty before will take that as a compliment, Cheers ! :-)
09-01-2009, 05:29 AM #136
My OH is a 51 year old permanent resident of Australia, qualified electrician all his life,with an aussie electrical licence for which he went to Tafe with all the 17 year olds to achieve, never been out of work until he came here. Went for an interview today, he was asked many technical questions of which he answered, then he was told the job was dirty, and hour drive to work, an hour back, unpaid, would have to do loads of training etc etc . and for that he would be paid $20 an hour, when he said he was earning more than that in Sydney 5 years ago and in the UK 20 years ago the guy interviewing said is that an issue .......... Ummm lets think about that?? How degrading ! Book my flight I'm outta here. Good on the people who speak the truth, and what the teenagers are experiencing on the streets I would say is what is really happening because they are out there living it, so I have alot of time for people sharing that information on here, its important !!
09-01-2009, 05:46 AM #137
Many of us have had to take backward steps. I was a teacher for 17 years back in the u.k - 25 quid an hour- am now wiping kids backsides for a living at $24 an hour !!!!
Originally Posted by njacinthebox
I live in the hope it won't be forever
I'm still lovin livin here after 18 months and have seen how many people have come over to start on a much much lower wage, but in time get a good job. My hubby is a perfect example. Qualified electrician and print finisher. Got a job doing print finishing on $16, moved onto 2 better jobs and is now on double that wage. It's all about who you know in Adelaide, not what you know.
09-01-2009, 05:49 AM #138
As for racism.............wait until you hear the word "wog" used for the first time here.
It means person of swarthy skin /Mediterranean looks.
I get pretty brown in summer and have been called a wog.
Cracked me up something rotten
Perhaps it's my open mindedness that caused me to laugh and accept it rather than question it in an "English PC" manner.
It looks like we fall into 2 camps here.
Nothing to do with money (well it does help but....),seems to be the attitude.
As said before I just can't put my finger on why this should be.......personalities???
After 8 years I still can't get over the place and the generous nature and spirit of the people.
For example...today I called into my local fishing tackle shop.I had a rod for sale with them on consignment as I'd never managed to work the reel properly (long story).One of the guys said,let's have a look at it.
He literally spent 30 minutes giving it a strip down and service as he said it did not feel right.
After this it felt fantastic and I'm keeping it now.Asked the tackle store guy what I owed him......."Nothing mate - had fun doing it"
That floored me.
And I'm out flicking that rod tomorrow.
I have pointedly asked Aussies what they think we think of them.............. Naive is mentioned a lot.
I supposed the values can be seen as old fashioned here.Mateship and expecting nothing in return are common here.
Once only have I had any sort of anti pom thing happen.Drunken old ex Nam' Vet had a go at me saying we are taking all their jobs - does not bother me as I'm self employed!
I did tell him he was only born here - I had to go through a selection process and be worthy of being here.
That's the only time I've pulled that card.
I just don't know where these nasty and racialist Aussies are.
They do take the mickey and sometimes you have to have a thicker skin but it's all in FUN - they are testing you - give as good as you get.
I've seen this on another forum and reserve the right to defend the Aussies as I've seen nearly nothing but good and acceptance.
09-01-2009, 05:53 AM #139
09-01-2009, 05:56 AM #140
Thanks Tyke - great post - that's our Adelaide too.