25-04-2012, 11:12 PM #111
To complete my reply with a few dates. I originally applied for the 804 on September 6 2006. At this time parent visa applications were handled at State level so my application went to the Sydney office of DIMIA (as it then was). I thought I had done my research carefully and sent with the application all of the documents which seemed necessary – including our biometric data and details about our daughter who was a settled Australian resident at the time and was prepared to provide the AOS. DIMIA acknowledged the application very promptly and I received a letter dated September 8 which stated that my application had been received and passed to “the Resident Section of our Paramatta office where your file will be allocated to a case officer who will contact you in due course”. “In due course” turned out to be 7 February 2007 when I was told to attend the Sydney office for medicals for me and my wife. They also asked for another set of documents including birth and marriage certificates for our other daughter who lives in England. The medical was on March 6 2007. My wife passed the medical OK but I was referred back to a specialist for further tests because of high blood pressure. On March 11 I received a further letter from my case officer who asked for yet more documents including the final medical reports on both of us and things like photographs of my children. There was a deadline of 28 days plus seven working days to supply the information. Most of this I duly sent off . The specialist’s report went directly to the department.
DIMIA seemed very efficient and they were always very polite. There was a certain amount of jumping through hoops but there always is with government departments. Anyway the final deadline came and went and I heard nothing. Some time in June I called my case officer to ask what was happening. It turned out that my case officer had changed but the new one was quite reassuring. He said that all the documents had been received and were satisfactory. I would receive written notification in due course (again) but there was no point in contacting them again for at least ten years because of the long queue. In January 2008 my daughter became an Australian citizen and I wrote and told DIMIA about that since they had specifically said that they must be informed about any change in circumstances. They acknowledged without comment.
This time “in due course” turned out to be February 20 2009 when I received a letter headed “Notice of Application of Queue Date”. By then handling of parent visas had been passed to the Perth Parent Centre which may account for the delay – I also had yet another case officer. Until then I had naively assumed that my Queue Date would be the date of first application. In fact it was (and is) 30 May 2007. With a little digging on the DIAC (as it now was) website I found that the queue date is “ the date that the application was assessed as meeting the initial criteria for a Parent (non-contributory) visa.”. This date fits with the previous dates so I have been treated quite fairly. The queue date letter warned me that there were 5000 people in front of me and as there were only 300 visas available per year (at that time) I was in for a long wait. There was one final twist in the story. When I inserted the queue date into the calculator it told me that nobody was queued on that date. I e-mailed the centre and somebody replied that my Queue Date was February 20 2009. I e-mailed back to say that this was the date I was told about the Queue Date not the date itself. The person’s supervisor stepped in and corrected things with an apology for any inconvenience caused.
My overall impression of the department is that they were always polite - with the notable exception of the person who gave me the wrong queue date - and eventually efficient. At the moment (April 2012) it seems that there are even longer delays in getting a queue date. If my experience is a valid guide these queue dates may eventually be back-dated to “the date that the application was assessed as meeting the initial criteria for a Parent (non-contributory) visa.”. For anyone going through the procedure, simply be patient and supply them with all the documentation they need. It’s going to be a long wait anyway – although not as long as the website claims – so a few more months will make no difference.
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26-04-2012, 08:14 AM #112
You are a mine - a posiive goldfield - of fascinating and extremely valuable information, my friend. This thread, to my certain knowledge, is read by literally thousands of people - most of whom never join Poms in Adelaide and never say anything themselves. Hence I look after the thread as if it were a baby and do my best to ensure that the information on it is always accurate, up-to-date etc.
My own feeling with the non-contributory Parent and Aged Parent visas is that the annual quotas of them will be cut back somewhat if/when the demand for Contributory Parent visas increases again. I think that will happen sometime though it is not possible to predict exactly when.
However, I don't think that we are likely to see a return to the Bad Old Days of 1999, described in David Bitel's article below:
David Bitel is this guy:
Mr Bitel is very eminent, clearly knows what he is talking about and so forth. I think the really bad year of cutting the number of Parent visas to the bone was just a political tactic that is unlikely ever to happen again.
I know the daughter of a lady who applied for an APV 804 about 18 months ago now. As far as I know, she has not been asked to produce meds and pccs (but I will double-check about that.) A few weeks ago the lady's daugher asked me when they might expect to receive a Queue Date? I didn't know, so I suggested asking the Parents Visa Centre but from what you say, 18 months after the application is far too early to worry. This information will reassure the lady's daughter so thanks very much for letting us all know about that.
I believe that the Parents Visa Centre is a very small unit, the staff of which get press-ganged into helping with other Immigration problems whenever the need arises. In 2006, just as my mother's application for her CPV was being finalised, the PVC staff were being sent to Perth Airport pretty regularly.
At the time there was major unrest in the Middle East, Beirut Airport had been closed and the Aussie Government decided to lay on "mercy flights" in order to evacuate all of the Australian Citizens and Permanent Residents who happened to be in the Middle East at the time. Most of the evacuees had fled from bombing etc so they often had no identity documents, no money, no credit cards etc with them. The Government decided to evacuate everyone who claimed Aussie Immgration status in some way, get them to the safety of Australia and sort it out there.
The "mercy flights" were aboard a fleet of chartered Jumbo Jets etc which all left from Larnaca. Sydney and Melbourne Airports are both very busy, as you know, whereas Perth Airport is comparitively quiet. So several of the mercy flights were told to land in Perth first. The emergency Immigration clearance was done in Perth and then the flights continued as domestic flights to other major cities in Oz. The PVC staff became the front-line team to go and deal with the emergency clearances at Perth Airport.
Whilst all this was going on, the normal DIMIA team at Perth Airport poached the PVC Case Officer who was handling Mum's CPV application. She told us that Mum's application was one of the last batch of Parent applications that she herself would be handling before leaving for her new job, which was going to be based at Perth Airport, she said. (These days, I would guess that the PVC staff are probably in the front line for being sent to Christmas Island instead!)
The PVC staff are particularly lovely, in my view. All DIAC staff are usually ultra-polite but the PVC staff are ultra-considerate as well. Nothing seems to be too much trouble for them and we never felt that we were on any sort of conveyor belt.
My only small criticism of DIAC in Perth (but not the PVC themselves) is that Killjoys will be Killjoys! Once Mum's CPV had been granted, we went to enormous trouble to choose some orchids growing in a pot out of one of the Interflora catalogues. We checked that the orchids had been grown on Aussie soil etc and arranged for a florist in Perth to deliver them to Mum's CO at the PVC. To start with, the Killjoys in the DIAC building thought that the lady's husband had sent the flowers so the flowers went upstairs to the PVC. The CO had already left the PVC by then but her ex-colleagues read the card and realised that the flowers were from a recent client. They kept the card and sent that on to the CO but the Killjoys insisted on destroying the flowers. Apparently there is a very strict rule that DIAC staff are not allowed to receive gifts of any sort.
Good God! They were only flowers! Also, why destroy them? Couldn't the Killjoys have arranged for one of the staff to drop the flowers off at one of the hospitals or something? I loathe Killjoys who have zero common-sense and zero sense of proportion.
26-04-2012, 01:10 PM #113
Visa Granted 11/3/11
Arrived in Adelaide 3/8/12
28-04-2012, 06:18 AM #114
Just one word of caution for people who have waited a long time for a queue data. If the first medical and police checks are no longer necessary then anyone who has sent in the other documents may already have satisfied the conditions for getting a queue date and all will be well. If the medical etc. are still necessary then the earliest queue data they can get is the day the medical reports are submitted.
There is another sign that things are working slowly at the parent centre. The most recent valid queue date I can find is 13 September 2011. There are 3320 people queued on that date which should mean that at 500 per year, people just joining the queue will have to wait for about seven years :). For a queue date of 14 September 2010 the number in the queue is 3230. This suggests to me that only 90 people have been given queue dates in the past year. Either the rate of applications has become drastically slower or the Parent Centre is having difficulty keeping up. I have no idea which.
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28-04-2012, 01:52 PM #115
Hi Gill, remember me??????
Well we have been here for 15 months now and going great guns. Lisa's parents are over here at the moment and have made noises about staying and tonight they sat us down and said that they want to go for the APV. They have been looking at houses today and its great news (I read in one of your earlier posts) that they can apply for permission to buy a house.
I will be putting in an application next week. My only worry (and I hope that you or someone else can help me out here) is that MiL had a small cancer op in November 2007 and has had regular check ups since then and all is good but is that going to affect their application?
We have only been here 15 months but as I am a QLD copper and Lisa is a FT nurse I cant really see how DIAC can say we are not settled?
Also if the in laws would not be getting a PR visa for a few years, what would happen if the cancer came back or one of them got ill with something else? Obviously they would not pass the medical so would they be sent back to the UK? They would be over 80 by then.
Finally, I understand that they would get the Bridging visa A as soon as they applied but how long would this take to come through? They are talking about going back to the UK to get stuff sorted, house sold etc as they are booked to fly back in early June so would need a Bridging B visa asap. How long does that application take?
Many thanks Gill and nice to be incontact again. Loving your work!
29-04-2012, 04:21 AM #116
I hope you dont mind me answering some of your queires in relation to the APV as Gill will be tucked up in bed now.
In my opinion you do not need an agent (if you were considering one). The forms are quite easy to fill in. Once you have submitted your forms and paid the first instalment, which is about $2500 per person you send the forms off and from my own experience if you have done everything properly, and sent all the information, it is usually about 10 days before you are given a 'bridging visa A'
Now that is for the 'on shore' APV which means that your parents need to be in Australia when they apply and in Australia when it is eventually granted.
From reading some of Gill's posts I think that the purpose of the 'bridging visa B' is to allow parents to leave the country to visit other children and relatives while on thier BV A. Even to attend family weddings, funerals and stuff. I do not think that DIAC would agree to a BV B so soon after an application was made by your parents.
If you fit all the criteria then why not let your paretns go back to the UK, sell their house and sort everything out. Then come back on a 3 month tourist visa when they are ready. That would be the time to apply for the BV A. That does not stop them buying a property between now and when they return as my own mother brought a property when she was on a tourist visa.
Hope that helps
29-04-2012, 07:30 AM #117
The first visa charge for the 804 visa is $2960 but that covers both applicants. There is then a second charge of $1735 per person when they eventually get around to offering the visa. This from the immi.gov site at:
Immigration specifically recommends that you should not sell any property before you actually have the visa in hand.
29-04-2012, 09:28 AM #118
Hi, I have been occupied with other things lately like work etc got me so mentally exhausted everyday after work.
Gil, I can't begin to express how much I thank you for your patient and compassionate answers to us here, and it's wonderful that not only you know so much but also able to put flesh on the knowledge so it's easier for us to chew :-)
I've talked to my parents, and they are considering the options. They are the ones who are going to go through all these migration things. And after all, they are unlike your mom who made noises but in the end signed the papers for you to send to Australia... my parents are sensitive people.... so I summarised the info, gave them the options, and sit back to wait for their verdict.
One thing you mentioned about 804 is not actually as cheap as it looks, you are right. I went to Medibank site and compared their options for non-residents with similar their covers for residents. Then I applied the rates to "cheap" and "expensive" options in regards to how long would it take to PR to be granted, assuming that while parents are on bridging visa they would take a non-resident cover, and after they received PR it would be a resident cover on top of Medicare. It's surprising that the end totals of visa fees + health insurance between "cheap" and "expensive" options are very close to each others. The government are indeed smart haha..... Of course my calculation may be wrong, the assumptions could be flawed especially on the waiting periods, and not every migrants would need private health insurance (but I think my parents do), and now I am convinced hat actually the "cheap" visa just means "pay little to the government now, then pay regular expensive health care insurance to private sector later".
I would just say everyone considering this "cheap" option should research the health insurance as well, using each person's own assumptions of waiting period, finances, and migrant's health condition.
My sister and I definitely can't afford the expensive options like 143 or 864 if we have to save for home deposit (because my mom insisted on us having a home for her to arrive to, but she also a person who cherishes assurance and safety above everything, so the expensive options definitely are very appealing for her), so in the end it's up to our parents if they can pull a golden rabbit from a hat..
OK stop with our life story which I am sure not of everyone's interest, I will just wait for their decision. Meanwhile, let me say my thanks again, and in the future whatever option we will be going with, I hope I can also help others.
If we take the "cheap" options, I will put updates on this thread.
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29-04-2012, 09:44 AM #119
I was hoping that Gill would re-appear by now because she knows much more about this subject than I do. Unfortunately I think that Karen is offering seriously bad advice to John. If Lisa's parents are here at this moment and they have the documentation to apply for an 804 visa in the morning then all is well. They arrived in Australia on a visit and are perfectly entitled to change their minds. They could apply for the 804 and would probably have a bridging visa A by the end of the week. If they don't apply now but go back to UK, sell up and come back to Oz with the intention of applying for the 804 then one of two things will happen
1) They tell the truth as they try to enter Australia and the immigration officer immediately sends them back to the UK.
2) They lie about their intentions and later on immigration finds out and deports them.Sorry if this sounds pessimistic. The 804 route is great to get your parents here but Gill has explained many times that you must play by complicated rules
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29-04-2012, 10:56 AM #120
Wont be the morning now! Just read the paperwork that us needed to apply and I will have to give the Edmonton Registry office tomorrow night to get a copy of my In laws marriage certificate!