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Just for info I was comparing private dentists in UK to costs here, they are still much cheaper as more competition there. NHS dentists may not be great but pity poor people here with only access to dental hospiital students or charity, there is no real safety net here. I know Australians have beautiful teeth but the dentists can be very interventionist at a cost. I had three dentists here quote my family needing an operation at $5000, when we went back home the private dentist said nothing was needed a second opinion from an Irish dentist in Adelaide agreed. the dentistry here is interventionist and I think sometimes driven by dollars. Some of the private dentists in Adelaide also have very old machinery for children, no low radiation x rays etc. So shop around with dentists.
In general though sorry if some of us sound depressing but it is better to come out here with a clear idea than be all bouyed up and then disillusioned and for some people it works really, some do well financially, you will not know until you get here so you just have to try it. As others have said for some the qullaity of life is better especially if you come from bits of UK with big issues. For me I do not think that is true as I cane from a pretty village in Kent borders and I do not think quality of life is better but if I was from Willesden I would do. You just have to try it for yourself but come with realistic expectations. Both countries are great compared to many parts of the world that is why people go back and forth. I believe 40% of the Uk immigrants return now and i am sure I will be one, if I can arrange it practically, some day.
Finally the exchange rate does matter if you can not get a job quickly or it si not well paid and you are using English savings as they are then devalued.
You just have to try it and find out if it is for you
Really interesting thread! Thanks for all your viewpoints. Things I find cheaper here: petrol, good wine, meat, fine dining, music lessons, sunscreen (good thing considering how much more I use her!) admission fees for 'days out' type activities, perfume, admission for things like public swimming pools.
Things I find more expensive here: cars (I know, been said a million times), toiletries (I miss Boots and buy 2 get 1 free!), books, chocolate and domestic flights seem a lot compared to cheap European flights - but think that's also cos of the sense of 'why isn't it cheaper - I'm not even leaving the country - when in fact the actual flight length may be longer than popping over to eg Paris.
To add to the comparison of utilities, my monthly averages are $50 for gas, $140 for electricity, $20 for water, $70 for council rates. That's in a big 2 bed apartment (comparable to modern 3 or small 4 bed house) in Glenelg.
However, I must add that whilst some things cost more here, I earn at least 50% more of what I'd make in a comparable role in the UK, if we are comparing on exchange rates - plus I'd have found it far, far more competitive to get into that role in the UK - here, there was a shortage whereas in the UK friends who graduated with the same degree as me from uni struggled to get into the area in London, even though there are far more jobs advertised. So whilst I'm earning dollars, I'm very happy to be spending them too.
I do miss BOGOF though =)
I think, personally, that for me its not a question of whats cheaper in the UK that here in oz but where can I get things here in oz which are good value for the money. Imho this would be a useful thread. A lot of places do loyalty cards, e.g. sumo salad- free salad on joining, free salad on birthday, boost juice- free juice every 10 juices and one on your birthday. Priceline (a bit like superdrug) does a point based loyalty system. Chemist warehouse is really cheap for toiletries and perfume. Don't forget when you are talking some of this stuff you can get it online! (e.g. books and toiletries)
Just a little tale on the dentist note: had a UK wonderful NHS dentist fill a decaying wisdom tooth, skip forward a month or so, it got infected(again!) dentist here in oz had to remove( at a high cost). The NHS dentist should never have filled a decaying tooth, esp wisdom. My experience too are they are highly incompetent. You get what you pay for. Here or back in the UK. NHS dentistry isn't worth the risk, if I ever go back to the UK I;m going private. The NHS is only good if you actually get what you need out of it, for me a young female this was predominantly dental, optical and chrio(office work!), none of which was covered by the NHS/covered insufficiently. Not a fan, personal opinion.
You definitely cannot compare $ to £, as someone previously said, the only time this is relevent is if you are going on holiday. Obviously at the moment you could buy more £ to the $ or less $ to the £.
What you have to do is compare your percentage of outgoings to earnings in the UK and the same with you Australian outgoings to earnings. This will tell you if you are financially better off in the UK or Oz.
As regards income and expenditure, there is no point in comparing $ to £ as you say. You earn $ and you spend $.
However, if you have any assets (house, car, pension, savings) and have to transfer them from the UK to Australia, then the exchange rate is crucial. Those assets were earned in £ and with a weak exchange rate you are worse off.
Backpacked round Australia 1992. Married Australian husband in Adelaide 1994. Lived in Adelaide 1994-1997. Moved back to UK & lived in Essex/Herts 1997-2009. Returned to Adelaide November 2009. 2 kids dual nationality.
I can see why this might be an interesting thread if you are still caught in the process - let's face it, money can be a huge part of the should-we/shouldn't we thing.
And there's no doubt that the move costs heaps and no-one wants to lower their lifestyle, you know size of house, dreams for their kids' education etc but really emigrating is so much more than dollar value?
I understand what Anne B means about assets, and I guess the cost of items like housing, education ( if private is your dream), medical and uni fees must be factored in, even more so if you have one of the visas that seem to deny you so many privileges we take for granted.
Since being here, we've had times with less available income, when my card has been declined, when I've had to juggle to get through till the next pay day but it kinda hasn't spoiled being here. It's just life. Financial challenges can happen wherever and I - and this is only my opinion of course- don't think I would worry too much if things cost more or less than the UK.
But hey, that's just me!
Yes Anne you are right, I had forgotten about transfer of assets - I dont know how as we still have a house over there!
However if you are trying to work out whether things are more expensive here in Australia then you would have to work it out in percentages rather than comparing prices with current exchange rates.