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I think this thread has been a good read and personally agree that wages here are low and can be hard on the pocket. If the main income earner is only on $40k and the wife works part time it will be livable within those means.
I think it all depends also on the visa your on aswell as on PR you will get plenty of family tax credit and rent allowance as an income for the good lady wife at home.
Our combined income in the UK was 43 grand and we struggled on that!
Now in Australia we're having to live on practically that same figure in dollars!
It's nuts I tell you. The figures just don't add up.
I really like lots about Australia but no work, no money... you can't live on fresh air and scenery when it comes down to it. You can't eat the sand at the beach! Sorry to be so depressing for those people on the other side of the world but this is reality peeps!!!
Now I'm worried! We are a family of 5 (all children under 5) and we survive here in the UK on £25k plus tax credits and child benefit. Also going on a temp visa so I know we won't get any help. Am hoping that my husband can get a similar wage in the IT field as we do here. Hope the financial striggle is short lived! Its hard for me to work with our youngest being just 4 months :-(
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Arrived Adelaide - 16/3/09 (Temporary 475), Applied for PR - 16/3/11 (887), Visa Grant - 12/04/2011, Official Aussies March 2014
Don't stress about it. I'm sure with your OH working in IT he will find something lucrative pretty quickly and you'll all be on happy go lucky street soon enough. Good luck.
I have been reading lots of your post and understand you are trying to tell future migrants that life isn't all sunny and bbqs over in Aus. I have found it interesting reading - but I think most of us are definitely aware of this, and don't have that naiive view of Aus. Especially those of us with children, it isn't a decision you can make easily when you are making the life-changing decision for other people too.
However, for most of us life over here isn't that great (although not awful admittedly for lots) and that's why we're making the move. Prices in the UK at the moment for groceries, petrol and utilities are sky high. Money might be tight in Aus, but for example for a day out with the children with petrol and costs of entry somewhere as weather so pants it tends to be indoors, it's not cheap! At least in Aus the beach is free and you can play n the garden, go for walks etc too..
I know it's easy to think life on the other side is greener (and that's what you're trying to warn us about) but I would like to say that things may have changed here too since you left... and life here isn't greener either!! Without wishing to sound dramatic I feel that I have felt much more unsafe on the streets here, and when I think about teenagers I know going out at night etc.. it fills me with horror. For example when I was on a train not long ago a teenager, yes - teenager, was drunk and insulting most of the ladies in the carriage. Not one man said anything to defend us, and who would blame them - for fear of repercussions. I went to see a train guard who said they couldn't throw him off until he'd done something wrong?? It may be a generalisation, and I know there are many exceptions to this, but on the whole, I think youths are rude and have no respect for adults. Many teacher friends of mine say that the school system is so hung up with SATS etc.. that it has taken all the enjoyment out of teaching. The country has gone absolutely PC mad, and when a teacher friend gave a child detention for telling him to F*** off, the parents came in and said it was his word against their sons, and as he had no evidence they would take the matter to the authorities. Crazy.
When I was in Australia at least we felt safe, and were pleasantly surprised with the attitudes of teenagers etc. When some 14/15 year old boys stopped to let me through the door I almost had to pick James' jaw up off the floor!!
Although you believe the Aus government are making it difficult for Temp Residents, (we are on a temp visa too) and yes it is certainly harder on the pocket etc.. I would rather move to a country where they are strict on immigration than here where anyone can come in and claim benefits from Day 1. (Flying in to Heathrow last year it took speaking to 7 staff memebrs before I found a member of staff who could speak English. )
We will almost certainly struggle financially. My OH has a good job here, we live rent/mortgage free and have 2 children (2 and 6 wks) so I will not find work that will make it financially worthwhile. However, it is a choice we are making and it's important to remember no-one forces us to make this decision.
Good for you if you are going to make a go of it, but if you are angry with the authorities and Australia, you sound like how many of us feel about the UK and maybe it's better to cut your losses and try somewhere new? At least the costs of coming back to the Uk would be outweighed by the demand for teaching here and the guaranteed work? After all, you only have one chance at this life.
Sites like this are so useful for research. But in addition to this, I agree it is essential to do as much research as you can before we get out there. I know lots of people say it's impossible to find out everything before you get out there, esp with jobs like teaching etc where they won't even consider you until you're there in person, visa in hand, .. but this is the risk we take in the hope of a better life.
I don't feel it's the Aussie government's job to advertise information about housing etc..I know it's unhelpful and frustrating, but it's all there and it's our job to find it out if we want to live in their country.
All I really wanted to say is that it's great for the reality check about the downsides of Aus, but there are so many downsides of the UK too - and these are easy to forget when you're away from them.
Hope it all works out for you soon, Alexis
I know and understand exactly where you're coming from and it reminds me of all the reasons we wanted to come to Oz in the first place. Believe me, in spite of all the negatives I try to impress on people I still believe this is a great country --- for values like patriotism, which had been turned into a dirty word in Britain because of all its BNP hijacked connotations, for the safety aspect (living in Birmingham and getting my bag pinched off me right outside my front door was no picnic) and for other values like equality, freedom of speech etc. too. I don't actually expect my own opinions and experiences in Oz to dissuade the people who are truly determined to get here. Please accept that I only do this in the interests of presenting a more balanced picture of life in this particular city, and occasionally venting my own frustrations! Certainly if people want to get out to Australia and give it a go then I wish them every success in their new lives.
As I do to you as well.
Well I am trying to be positive and have a sense of humour but we must be the poorest family on the site! Everyone is on about coping on different salaries compared to 20k plus in UK. We have had a huge kick in the teeth and as time goes on it's getting worse. My OH is a fantastic builder and can build anything, qualifications the lot. But good old England has killed the building trade and he is supposed to be on income support. Guess what because he's worked his ass off for a lifetime and self employed he doesen't qualify for a penny. We have friends losing their jobs because of the building trade and Truck drivers because of fuel prices. We are currenty trying to manage on my measly wage of 16k with no benefits whatsoever, tax credits, nothing, sweet nothing. If he has made 50 phone calls he's made 100 and out every day travelling miles to building sites and getting the same answer from them all, the trade is dire. I really am at the stage where we can't fail to be better off if he simply gets a job!! The slump in the housing market has hit us really hard. The so called health and safety lay them off even if it spits rain these days and as the weather is so flippin' wet here we don't stand a chance. We can't afford a holiday for a week in the tent let alone a reckie to OZ. Every penny we get is going to keeping our heads above water. I want to get out!!!! I work in Finance and I don't care what I do when I get out there so long as Max is working it will be far more than I can bring home. We are getting married in 16 days . Thank god it's all paid for! We have no stag night, no hen night and no honeymoon but my god come hell or high water I will enjoy my wedding day. Bring on Adelaide....I can't wait. Goodbye England you have let your people down beyond all belief! One day it will be a sad place to be because all the skilled people will have gone where they are appreciated and left sh**y Britty behind. I will miss the beautiful countryside we have but that's it and just as the sun in Adelaide doesn't pay the bills neither does the beautiful countryside here. Maybe someone could give me some good reasons to stay???
The way the building trade as gone reminds me of when it last happened round about 1991-1992. I remember it well because my then husband was a brickie and the strain of him not working plus the mortgage rate rocketing leaving us with negative equity was a real killer . Needless to say the marriage was short lived but I was a lot younger and there were other factors. I'm just trying to say I jnow how tough it must be for you and I can't see how you've anything to lose by going to Oz.
Good luck and i'm sure your wedding day is gonna be one hell of a day ( the honeymoon can wait till your in Australia anyway)