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I can think of a number of people who destroy their habitat and upset local species???? Perhaps they should be controlled
Frank - is that Mildura in Victoria you were referring to? Pagge 41 of the Victorian Rec Guide states carp must not be returned to the water alive given noxious status. If so how come they were returned in the National Champs?
Not pointing any fingers or making accusations, just curious.
There's heaps of scientific reserach into the effects carp have on the ecosystem. Basically they compete with native fauna for food and habitat and are far less susceptible to poor water conditions such as turbidity and low DO than many native fish spp. Many also believe that they increase turbidity by stirring up the sediment and uprooting weeds when feeding and spawning. Personally I don't think the latter is as much an issue. I believe competition is the main threat. Most fish spp in the UK are cyprinids, as are carp. Therefore they all tolerate to some degree these poorer water conditions so tench, bream, roach etc can also thrive alongside the carp. That is not the case here and the native spp suffer as a result.
Just my opinion after professionally managing fisheries in the UK for 12 years and now working in Fisheries in Aus.
Oh, and I agree with Tyke - they make great cray bait!
That's a good insight Damien, thank you. Can you assist with the following
1. What native freshwater fish do we have in SA waters.
2. Is there not a recreational market for fresh water fisheries to include those types of fish commonly found in UK. or is this too simplistic. Facinating subject as it appears to me that many Australians jump on the 'kill the carp' bandwagon without actually knowing why. As you point out stirring up the water is not a real problem, it's the competition with native fish and their potential eradication
Mildura is border-line NSW, well the part we fished is.
That's right Mike, they're the main spp.
Pete - I don't think there's anything in the Aussie pysche to have a freshwater fishery for UK spp and certainly current legislation doesn't support it. Aussies are rightly protective of their native flora and fauna. I do agree that they can have a 'kill! kill!' mentality without always knowing the arguments behind the need to do it but it's the way of life here.
But the aussies catch and eat their native fish, so i don't get it. The carp don't eat the fish alive, they eat their spawn because they are hungry. fish for carp and keep them fed and they wont eat the spawn. Simple. If there is a lake JUST with carp in, a man made lake. So this means no banking the carp supposedly 'eat' away, they STILL kill them when their is no harm being done.
Your wrong there Frank, carp eat spawn, fry and fingerlings. My mate banked a 30lber from Ardleigh on a deadbait fishing for pike. Anglers here regularly target the carp on lures, why would they be so successful if the carp don't eat fish?
Damien, I think we are using you as a bit of a font of knowledge on this subject.
Are we not messing with simple evolution when culling these European fish. It seems to me that most fish in the UK get along fine and swim together. I dare say some are predatry, but they all appear to survive. What do the native Aussie fish eat? The catfish, for example, will eat smaller fish. The callop is carniverous and will eat smaller fish, so I can't get to grips with that argument.
Last edited by pete66; 02-05-2012 at 05:01 AM.