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I too was getting fed up of reading all the negative posts and worried about bringing my wife and two teenage sons over. Fast forward almost two years and I sooo regret not having made the move sooner.
Yes some things are more expensive but some things are a hell of a lot cheaper also. It's funny how some people only comment on the negative things, "whinging poms anyone?"
The quality of life is also far better than what we had at home. Walks on the beaches, great views, not worrying when the kids are out and about in town on a night. In fact, we hardly every see the boys as they are out playing sports and with their many mates most nights and at weekends. Another bonus! (Only kidding boys).
We love it that much, and I speak for all the family here, that we sometimes feel guilty about not missing our friends and family as much as we feel we should do. I know that other people out here are tearing themselves in half, such is the pain of missing their family and friends, and that is the point. We can give as many positives (or negatives) as we like on here, but only you will know at the end of the day as to whether you have made the correct choice.
As I said at the outset, I know we have.
I think everyone is different and I personally feel it is down to your attitude and approach when you get here to starting a new life.
We have been here 4 years and both love it and would not want to return to the UK. When we emigrated my partner had never been to Australia before, he had worked for the same employer for 8 years in an IT role since leaving University but we both totally embraced building a new life here and he absolutely loves it here and is now in a more senior role than in the UK with better pay/perks and greater job satisfaction.
On the other hand we met a couple over here and the husband was a similar age to my partner had worked for the Government in IT since leaving school and they lasted 3 months out here, they could not adjust and cope with the change and he went back to his old job in England.
Two people, similar age, similar work history, experience and qualifications, yet two very different experiences.
It is not a bad thing to have realistic expectations rather than rose-tinted glasses.
I think the cost of living is higher, especially food, plus there are school fees and no NHS. We are a family of 4 with 2 cars and live modestly and spend approx per month $900 groceries, $50 gas, $170 electricity, $80 health insurance, $75 school fees (state school), $25 house insurance, $80 car insurance (2 cars), $125 rego (car tax), $120 phones and internet, $90 foxtel tv, $190 petrol - that's not including rent, going out, kids sporting activities, medical bills and we don't have to pay rates or water rates.
A few years ago things were much easier for immigrants, as houses were relatively a lot cheaper and the exchange rate was much much better. Things are much harder now. Houses are pretty expensive here at the moment, but the suburbs vary hugely in price. It is still possible to get a nice house for a reasonable price, although it will be further away from the city.
Despite the financial side of it being worse, the lifestyle is still here. The weather is great and you have all the facilities of a large city on your doorstep, plus beaches and hills nearby. There are so many activities that are easily within reach for most people - waterskiing, kitesurfing, mountain biking, sailing, fishing, golf etc. There are great opportunities for children to get involved in sports, the weather is so much better - you are not standing in muddy fields watching your kids play football in the freezing cold !! The Surf Club is great, on the beach all afternoon then back to the clubrooms after for a beer while the kids all play safely outside. There's lots on in Adelaide - in the last year we've been to the Tour Down Under cycle race, the Clipsal 500 V8 racing, the Fringe Festival, the cricket (Ashes), the football (Adelaide United), AFL footy (Port Power) - and that's all I can remember off the top of my head. Even if you haven't got a lot of spare cash you can still have a great lifestyle here.
Backpacked round Australia 1992. Married Australian husband in Adelaide 1994. Lived in Adelaide 1994-1997. Moved back to UK & lived in Essex/Herts 1997-2009. Returned to Adelaide November 2009. 2 kids dual nationality.
I am of the belief that it has got little to do with the country you are emigrating to - far more important is the strength of the family unit (for those moving as a family - no slight to those moving over here alone intended).
We arrived over here four years ago. Having spent a year living here in the late 80's, I was fully aware of what I was coming to. She Who Must Be Obeyed and the three kids had no idea. The kids were all primary school age and started the year with the other kids so they didn't stand out too much. Oldest took a while to settle, middle one a lot shorter time and the youngest immediately.
What was apparent is that we could have lived in Iceland.....or Denmark.....or the US - it didn't matter where - we moved as a tight family unit and settled as a tight family unit. Plenty of hurdles, all faced head-on as a family.
The result is that the three boys would disown us if we ever suggested moving. All have a wide circle of friends and I stress, close, good friends.
Me and SWMBO are happy because they are happy - that's what it's all about really isn't it?.
Come over with your eyes wide open; enjoy everything this wonderful country throws at you and you wont go far wrong. We originally lived in London - nobody in their right mind could suggest we have made the wrong move.
The kids now have dual citizenship and can live/work in Oz or the UK when they grow up. We have managed to give them a golden passport.
Stay close and you will have a wonderful journey.
Last edited by kildorragh; 03-03-2011 at 03:55 AM.
Some really good comments on this thread, and I do think that Tyke's admittedly generalisation of the care that must be taken about relying on forums is pertinent. I am currently really enjoying dipping into PIA but I have been AWOL for ages and can only spend time here that shouldn't be spent on my family or commitments, IYSWIM.
It just so happens that I have moved back to Australia with my husband who hails from Adelaide originally, and spent 10 years away. So we had (to some extent) a ready made social life to squeeze back into, and family support to eek out again!!! (They close up the gap, Snifter we can compare notes when you get here!!!!).
So that said, I tend to be on PIA when I need to ask about UK / Aus differences, queries about health system, looking for recommendations about this and that... and then I tend to hang around a bit and enjoy sharing with others and really do want to contribute to others' experiences with advice such as I have only 2 1/2 years in, to shorten someone else's learning curve.
I think anyone hanging around on forums complaining about all those financial things may well be a certain personality and have similar gripes anywhere. THere are some amazing people on this forum who have posted about how they are getting on here and have stayed despite the toughest times you could imagine anywhere, let alone thousands of miles away from "home" and our original comfort zone. That tells me there is something worth staying for, for those people.
So I reckon success depends on motives for coming. Running away isn't going to last long, you've got to want to make it work, got to expect hard times, and got to have the determination (and I totally agree, and have said something similar before, about having a strong family unit).
That said - we are poor here, and were poor in the UK. I'd rather be poor here. :)
School didn't work out for us here, but we have other options available and more choice than we did in the UK. We have chosen "other" but I am confident we had a lot to choose from if we'd stayed mainstream. And my nephew in UK is having worse school probs than we had here, so really I think country is irrelevant to some extent- globally education is struggling perhaps although the details may be different in different societies.
As for second hand cars being more expensive here -yes we bought a toyota tarrago (whatever the english equivalent is, can't remember - 7 seater) for about £600 for our 4 week holiday back in the UK and could hardly sell it for love nor money at the end of the trip. Got about £400 back from the same person we got it from. (worth it, far better than car hire!). Here that car'd have been much more. But here, cars are not written off with MOTs half as much as UK, from what I can tell they don't rust or degenerate in the same way because the climate is so different - so you can have a second hand car and it would be more reliable and more saleable. Cost makes sense to me in that regard.
Food is more expensive, clothes aren't as great and not as cheap... but that doesn't bother me and it's not a deal breaker because I want to be here and am happy to adjust my cooking / spending habits accordingly.
Drs cost me a bit this morning, ended up with a half hr consult, referral to a diagnostic place across the carpark for an ultrasound, back to the dr again... but hey, it was all over in 2 hrs, dr was great and didn't rush me out of the door, I paid the gap of $140 at the ultrasound place and $45 of the $100 or so of the dr's bill will come back to me. That's the public system and it served me extremely well this morning so I was happy to pay it. Got home in time to let Coles deliver my shopping...
Another thing worth saying, is that my parents didn't want us to move here (though from the minute we married they were waiting for the announcement I think!!!). But they visited (they'd been once and stayed with DH's parents 10 yrs ago and I think at that point knew the writing was on the wall). Once they visited us, saw our life, how we'd set up, what we were getting for our rent payments, what freedom the children have etc... they have continually told us since then that we are in the right place. So that has taken courage for them to accept the positives but they know we are better off here, however sad they are.
Well done if you get to the end of this. Longer than I intended but it's my twopennorth. You need to see it for yourself, if you do it or don't do it on the back of online say-so from others, you could make a mistake.
Me (36), DH (36), DS1 (9), DS2 (6), DS3 (4), DD1 (2), DD2 - BRAND NEW!!! 26-6-11 ...80 ʇdǝs ɹǝpun uʍop pǝʌıɹɹɐ
Enjoying every day life with all our needs satisfied in this sunscorched land...
read negative be negative read positive be positive. There will not be many on $100K dual income in their first few years, yet we see them all buying new houses and having a ball. If you earn good money in the UK, have a great lifestyle with everything you want then don't be greedy....... stay. If you famcy an adventure, and a better life for the kids and IMO more opportunitys then you have nothing to loose. As a previous poster said, it is more about the family unit than the country.
Thanks to all who have posted on this thread we have found it really helpful and useful as the many thoughts and comments are both reassuring, thought provoking and most importantly matter of fact.
What this post has done for us is to jolt us back on track. We agree that it is about attitude, having a strong family unit and a better quality of life and throughout the process we have always prided ourselves with being strong even when at times our plans had been questioned by close family and friends.
On reflection I think we have had what could technically be termed a 'wobbly'!! I think it is understandable in some ways, but we allowed the negatives to take centre stage and didnít maintain the balanced view that we have been so good at thus far! It is also in part, we think, down to the fact that our plans are getting closer and closer to reality and thus the apprehensions and concerns are also creeping in along with what has been great excitement and enthusiasm to achieve our aim of moving to Oz.
Having read the posts again, slept on it, woken with a clearer and more objective head and having read the all the latest posts on this thread it has made us realise that yes it is a GARGANTUAN step, yet at the same time our original reasons for making the move havenít changed and are still, in our opinions, the right reasons to allow us to realise a better quality/standard of life and to provide better and improved opportunities for our x2 children.
As many have said it is absolutely right that to make it work youíve got to want it and you need to embrace it wholeheartedly. That is exactly what we have always intended to do and now that we are back on the right track, that is exactly what we will be doing thanks to you all!! SA here we come!!!