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    Guest ninaj

    Hello everyone, me and my partner and our baby daughter live in northampton UK at minute, but are wanting a better life for our daughter and more family time as we both work long hours in full time jobs at minute, my partner is an accountant and he is begging me to live in australia and we both love the look of adelaide and here it is a lovely place for families. I would move there straight away, but im so worried abut leaving my parents. Can anyone tell me is the life really better in oz? and is it easy to come back and visit family? And are the schools better and is it safer? Iv lived away from home before I lived abroad for four years away from family and was fine, so I dont know why I am so worried. Also has adelaide got alot of accountancy jobs? You all sound so very nice on this forum.

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    Guest kangomik

    Have fun on the adventure, I think you have already talked yourself into it, so no real need for us to sell it.

     

    One thing............... Nope it's not easy to get back.

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    Good luck with whatever you decide. Its a big move so I am sure you'll ask no end of questions of yourself and have times where you will wobble and be unsure.

     

    With regards to the going back question. I can speak for the reverse situation. My hubby is an Aussie and we are currently in the UK living. He has been here 5 years now. In that time he has only been back to Adelaide once and that was last Easter with myself and our son (aged 22 months at the time). Although saying that he could have dropped everything and gone back on his own if there had been an emergency (we have credit cards and savings account for such things). But cost wise, to make family trips is a) expensive b) hard to get the extended time off work to make it worthwhile and c) seasons are out of whack so not always easy to plan trips to fit in with everyone else over there being around. Factor in just the general cost of living and savings etc, not many people have the disposable income to make regular trips back each year.

     

    Also once you have kids it becomes even more of an expense. Flying 2 adults and one child isn't cheap. Bear this in mind but don't let it put you off. My husbands mother flies over every year for a month to 6 weeks and stays with us. Also his aunt, brother and a couple of cousins have visited once each. O and his grandparents! And one of his cousins and his wife have moved over here for 18 months (taking the chance to work here and travel lots on weekends etc before returning to Aus) and so we see them a fair bit. This summer we are expecting my mother in law again and then for a few weeks my husbands Dad, his step mother and brother to come stay.

     

    Also the age of Skype is here and so video calls are easy enough and we really enjoy those, chatting with the family. We've managed fine for 5 years and it will have been 6 before we are back in Aus. I lived overseas for most of my 20's and sometimes only got back to the UK every 2 years and never really minded (pre internet age and when phone calls were really expensive). Life just keeps going and before you know it, a chunk of time has passed and its a year later :cute::eek:

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    Guest moonraker1959

    Hi,only you'll know yourself if life is better in Oz once you've moved!Its all very personal whether you'll feel its better or not.In my opinion Australia is'nt better,its just different.As for leaving parents?My Mum lives in Adelaide and has done for 40 years.I lived there for 30 years(emigrated to Oz as a child).When I returned to the UK to live 10 or so years ago,my Mum was in reasonably good health,then aged 70.She is now 80 and her health has declined alot.I've been concerned for her the last couple of years and nope its not easy living 10,000 miles away when your siblings are telling you on skype that Mum is'nt going to be around much longer!:sad:Its never easy announcing you're heading over to the other side of the world,so you'll need to prepare yourself for tears ect.Education?My kids are aussies and were aged 9 and 11 when we moved to the UK.I can honestly say(and I guess this will depend where in GB you live?)we did'nt notice any difference in it at all.Infact both my daughters did very well.(Not that I expected them not to).Watching shows like Wanted Down Under(personally I can't stand it myself!:arghh:)will give you a very general idea of what its like,but its different for everyone.I watched an episode(OH had recorded it and it was an oldie)and the guy's job trial was quite a specialised field.Now he seemed very positive about his prospects,and yes the boss seemed nice,but I bet the competition for that type of job is way high and he definately would'nt of been the only one applying.So they voted Australia job wise,and why?Anybody would think the employer had actually offered the guy the job,when infact he obviously had'nt!Anyway (sorry abit off topic)it seems alot of families want to emigrate and potentially live on one wage.I'm not sure if its possible to do this anymore.When I lived in Adelaide,it would of been possible,and seemed the "norm"for alot of folk,not so these days I'm afraid.Rising costs of housing and living expenses has seen to that.I do wish you luck,I really do,but please don't be naive about it,do loads of research,and definately go over and check it all out yourself before you commit.Yes its sunnier there,but sun does'nt pay the bills in reality.:cute:

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    Hi, shall i go and will it be better is a question i have seen come up so many times and the bottom line is it will be different for everyone. All dependent on our situations here and our luck when we eventually get there and with all of the luck in the world there are no garentees that the distance wont be the breaker.

     

    The way i look at it is if you decide to give it a go you have to be 100% commited and then if you are lucky enough to get a visa be brave enough to see it through and give it everything you have.

     

    But do your homework for jobs, houses, education, costs of living ect as wether it will be more or less expensive depends on where you live in the UK and what your ocupational wage will be in Aus compared to the UK and lifestyle ect.

     

    Ive got no if whats after that as im still on the give it 100% route so i wont think of the if whats.

     

    Good luck

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    Guest MADTOM

    Hi

     

    We made the move last year!

     

    I say go for it - If you don't like it you can always return without jeopardizing your Daughters education (as she is still little)

     

    It is 10,000 from home so feeling isolated will be something that you experience and it is not easy to go home for trips (time, expense, motivation etc) but we moved purely for the kids and feel they will have a better time of it over here!

    My son is still unsure he doesn't like the heat much, hates walking (can't afford car yet!) and misses his friends but slowly and surely I see him getting more settled as he makes new friends, tries different activities and see's new things.. I have high hopes for them!:daydreaming:

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    Guest Amanda12

    Thanks for the post Ninja and for all the honest replies. I am in the midst if the do we don't we. My major concern is the same, being away from my family and taking the children away from their grandparents.

     

    I swing between fretting constantly about the enormity of it all and then telling myself life is too short to worry and to just go for it.

     

    I'm sure you'll work it out. Good luck :)

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    Guest guest3462

    Well god knows that it is the most stressful thing we have ever been through to get to where we are now- but we love our life herein Adelaide, the kids are happier and healthier than ever wehave a wonderful family outdoor lifestyle and a brilliantsocial life. Yes it is hard to be so far away from loved ones but you learn to deal with it and skype is amazing. We returned to the uk after 2 years and it was a good length of time for us to feel truly settled in oz before going back. When we did go we looked forward to coming back home!

    Costof living is relatively the same as the uk for us and you learn to shop around as the grocery shop is definatelydifferent here lol!

    For the is is safe question, well it's as safe as you feel. Where we live in he southern suburbs we experience verylittle street crime and it's mostly very quiet. I don't worry too much if I forget to lock the front door (which is very frequent!) I'm happy to walk my kids thru the park and to the beach on my own and have never felt intimidated by groups of kids. In fact the teens here seem to have miles better manners than in the uk!!!

    We are happy with our choice of school and didn't find trouble getting work.

    Now then it's not the nirvana that it might seem though. Life has been very hard this last 2 years while we found our feet and waded thru immigration issues and work problems and continues to throw obstacles at us. We however have decided that living in Adelaide is worth the battle and strife that life gives us and will continue to enjoy our time here.

    I say go for it!!! Live your dream for real and give it a shot, you can always go back If you don't settle and you can never regret things that you try, only the things you wished you had have!!! :-)

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    Guest m.jephcott

    Only you can decide on the best thing for you and your family. We are 5 months into our second attempt lasting only 7 months last time. Australia is a great place to bring up young kids, costs are comparable if not a bit more expensive than the UK, and schooling seems similar. Our 3 kids aged 2,4 and 9 are really happy here. My husband works longer and harder than ever before and for less pay. It is fairly safe having said that, we have seen and heard of more crime than we ever had in rural oxfordshire, I know that is not representative of all of the Uk. Our plan is to try for citizinship in 3 years and see how we feel then, we will hopefully know if we want to stay or go back to Uk. I say do some research and give it a go if you think it will work for you, you can always go back, many do and many come back to Oz again.

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    Only you have the right answer.

    We have all been there and sime will come and love it, others come and go.

    The only advice I would give you is this:-

    Never make any of your decisions on a bad day.

    If you try it you can at least say, we gave it a go. Otherwise you will only ever be able to say, "we should have done that "

    Good things happen more often too those who make them happen.

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    Guest ninaj

    Thankyou all for all your comments, they are all really mixed ones. My partner is going to do alot more research into things as we know its a Massive decisions, some days I want to definaltey go and some im unsure. I know what alot of you are saying. I would rather say we tried it than regret it. The main reason for going would be to give our daughter a better way of life. At the minute it scares me how england will be when she is grown up as its in an awful state now!! IS australia a better life for children or is it just the same?

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    Guest guest3462

    In a word.... Yes! Life here is much better for children, they seem to be kids for longer, they play out on the street and in the park and it's safe for them to so it, most kids lead a sporty outdoors lifestyle on their bikes and scooters and down at the beach boogie boarding and surfing and just frolicking and exploring the rockpools and wildlife.

    Some say the education system is outdated and needs reform but we are happy enough at present, our girls are in Kindy and are learning Japanese as a second language already. They love their school and are made to feel like part of the community. Some kids do lack basic manners but those are lifeskills taught at home and not every parent has those things high on their agendas.

    They run and play and come home tired. Of course they still have tv and ds and wii and all the normal things that kids love, but the life of a kid here in my opinion is much better than in the uk where they would be stuck indoors most of the year.

    I think children/teens here have more choices and as they grow they have even more it's true that opportunites here in Adelaide are not as great as those in other bigger states but we have 3 universities and ample choice of fantastic degree courses for the older teens and by that stage in their lifes they are old enoughvto decide for themselves as we did where they want their lives to be.

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    Guest moonraker1959

    Thats very debatable!What do you mean by "better"?Education?There are good and bad schools in both countries.When we lived in SA,yep some of the students in my daughters classes were hell bent on making everyone's lives miserable!You get bullies in both countries,drugs,crime,bad weather,good weather.I've just read on news.com.au that SA now has the highest unemployment level,hopefully in time that will improve.Life is a gamble,and whatever you decide,its never going to be a mistake because you make a decision at that time based on what knowledge you have.For some people,moving to another part of the UK is all it takes for a fresh start.Other people look further afield.My aussie kids have returned with me for visits to SA and swear they'll never return to SA to live.They have way too much here that they love.Be totally realistic,and know that whatever bothers you here,will definately bother you in Australia,its just sunnier!:cute:

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    A very good friend always reminds me of one of the first things i ever said to her

     

    As long as i have the sun on my back then that will do me.....

     

    Our life is so much better here than back in blighty.....sure we had major issues with the older kids as they grewup...very serious in fact.

     

    But hey they have grown out of it and now live in Melbourne....sorry one does the other is in Sydney for 4 weeks then off to wrok in Brissie....they love life out here.

     

    We have 2 little ones at home...13 and 7 they are in love with Adelaide...we have trips out where we dnt spend a cetn and we all love it..there is much to do here for very little cost...well maybe tank o fuel for the car or so.

     

    HG

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    Guest kangomik

    moonraker you always crack me up, knowing your arse from your elbow would be great.

    Your not here, and haven't been since freddy flintstone ran a taxi service. Sometimes you still love the place others you hate it.

     

    To the OP, look it's a massive decision, we all know that, we all understand that. It's not for everyone, hell moonraker went back to the UK while most, if not the rest of the family stayed here ................. go figure, they must be the sensible ones!

     

    Crime in Adleaide is Huge............... well thats if the traffic lights are not down on south road or if the crows lost to the power. Quite simply there is not too much else to report on so any thing and everything makes the news. Don't get me wrong, if you want to suddenly become a hells angel or grow your own cannabis in your back garden then sell it down the local pub then you are likely to be shot........in the leg or arm!

    Your not likely to get stabbed by a group of teenagers while walking to the curry shop at night or god forbid go for a quiet pint in the local boozer and manage not to get glassed......... like in the UK.

     

    Kids play here, kids play for hours, down the beach, in the park, in other houses, sleep overs, school camps .......... what ever they play.

    I am not silly, i know they are not stupid and will still get up to mischief, hell i was a kid once ( many will say I am still:biglaugh:) but they stay kids for longer here.

     

    Education? our area does real well - if the kids want to learn, I guess this is the world over.

     

    At the end of the day Australia isn't cheap................ BUT .......... you don't need stacks of money to have a nice lifestyle.

     

    There will always be three groups of people, the rose tinted brigade, the winging poms, and those who see it for what it is. Only you know which group your in.

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    I agree with Moonraker - there is good and bad in both countries and it is impossible to generalise that one country is better for kids than the other. We lived in a nice part of England and my kids enjoyed their childhood there, in a safe village community. It is good here too, the children from their school on the whole seem very nice, very normal, although my kids have learnt a lot more swear words (from school) since they've been here!

     

    Not all of the UK is going to the dogs - I remember when I was back in my early 20s thinking I would never have children because the way the world was going they would have a terrible future. I look back now over twenty years and laugh that I ever thought such a thing. Life is what you make it. If you don't like where you are in the UK there are always options you can take to improve your life without resorting to moving to the other side of the world. I don't know why people always think they are going to get more family time if they move here. Why? Why can't that be achieved in the UK? A thread on here today about commuting from the southern suburbs to the city is talking about journeys of an hour and a half each way - that doesn't sound like more family time to me. We lived 10 minutes from my husband's work in the UK, so we had plenty of family time. What I'm trying to say is things aren't automatically better in Australia (apart from the weather) - they could be worse in many ways. And things don't have to be that bad in the UK surely? It must be possible to make lifestyle changes without moving round the world, and at least then you still have your friends and family. I'm not saying don't go for it but there are many ways to skin a cat.

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    Guest moonraker1959
    moonraker you always crack me up, knowing your arse from your elbow would be great.

    Your not here, and haven't been since freddy flintstone ran a taxi service. Sometimes you still love the place others you hate it.

     

    To the OP, look it's a massive decision, we all know that, we all understand that. It's not for everyone, hell moonraker went back to the UK while most, if not the rest of the family stayed here ................. go figure, they must be the sensible ones!

     

    Crime in Adleaide is Huge............... well thats if the traffic lights are not down on south road or if the crows lost to the power. Quite simply there is not too much else to report on so any thing and everything makes the news. Don't get me wrong, if you want to suddenly become a hells angel or grow your own cannabis in your back garden then sell it down the local pub then you are likely to be shot........in the leg or arm!

    Your not likely to get stabbed by a group of teenagers while walking to the curry shop at night or god forbid go for a quiet pint in the local boozer and manage not to get glassed......... like in the UK.

     

    Kids play here, kids play for hours, down the beach, in the park, in other houses, sleep overs, school camps .......... what ever they play.

    I am not silly, i know they are not stupid and will still get up to mischief, hell i was a kid once ( many will say I am still:biglaugh:) but they stay kids for longer here.

     

    Education? our area does real well - if the kids want to learn, I guess this is the world over.

     

    At the end of the day Australia isn't cheap................ BUT .......... you don't need stacks of money to have a nice lifestyle.

     

    There will always be three groups of people, the rose tinted brigade, the winging poms, and those who see it for what it is. Only you know which group your in.

    Erm,I was actually back in SA last year!!!!!And make returns trips every 2?????As for the rest of my family,just for the record,my Mum would of gladly returned to the UK,but my Dad passed away 16 years ago,and as the other 4 of her kids are in SA with 13 grandchildren she feels its best to stay for their sake.Everytime I speak to her,she says "This god forsaken country"(meaning SA):biglaugh:Poor dear,you'd think she would of settled after 40 years would'nt you?As for my 4 brothers and sisters?They did settle to start with,but unlike me who moved whilst my kids were young,now they have grandchildren ect and the pull to stay in SA is too great for them.I'm one of those who "see's it as it is"in BOTH countries.I actually do like both countries or is'nt that allowed?:goofy:

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    Guest karenbonnar

    I agree with the last poster. We are not in adelaide yet but hope to be in the future. However we haven't been stuck in an intolerable situation in life here. We live in a modest house and when the kids came along I gave up work to look after them. That has been a big change to our circumstances and we have had to sacrifice (second car, holidays, etc) but it has all been worthwhile for the quality of life we now have. I am glad we have made that change here before going to Australia as we have already simplified and prioritised our lives and are not having to do that at the same time as immigrating. I guess my point is it is always worth looking at what you can do to improve your lives in your current situation. Simply going to the other end of world wont suddenly make everything work together perfectly it takes hard work and adjustment of your ideas.

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    Guest karenbonnar

    Sorry I specifically meant AnneB's comments. Guess we were typing at the same time Moonraker1979. :-)

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    Good luck with your adventure, it will be a good move for your kids, but that's why you want to go surely?

     

    Will you want to come back, probably. Homesickness can be a terrible thing and we all "big up" the smallest things and make them more important than they ever could be when homesick.

     

    There is an opposite, My wife had a friend who migrated from the UK to the USA 14 years ago and only came back once. Her visit confirmed for her that she didn't want to come back to the UK again and she has stuck to her words.

     

     

    SKYPE will be the way to go, as previously stated, and with technology improving day by day, it will only get better.

    GOOD LUCK.

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    Guest Mangoji

    Can anyone tell me is the life really better in oz?

    Hi we have been here 17 yrs this July and do not regret it one bit.

    Been back to UK but never again.

    Sure it is just a matter of booking a flight.

    Any way you can get Skype and talk to family live every day for free.

    Just download Skype and get family on to.

     

    And are the schools better and is it safer?

    Depends where you live. What I mean would you live in say Bradford or Wolverhampton? Possibly No!

     

    Living south of Adelaide Airport beachside would be the go.

    Glenelg.Glengowrie,Warradale,Brighton,Seacliffe,Somerton Park,Kingston Park,Hallet Cove for starters.

    Also has adelaide got alot of accountancy jobs?

    Adelaide Advertiser on Saturdays have a good selection of jobs.

    Accountants No Problem!

    Wait till you get here.

     

    Big tip. Ask about the Meet & greet programme where you can get picked up and taken to cheap housing for the first6 months until you find out the place you wanna live.

    Treat it as a holiday period as we came with 4 young children when we arrived.

    I was a meet and greet volunteer and settled many young families.

     

    I wish you well and if you mail me at pommyoz557@hotmail.com I will give you and hubby many tips.

    This email address is my registred contact address.

     

    Adelaide is a fantastic place and once you get the first 3 months over it will be a breeze for you.

    The kids will soon have friends at school and that is where your socialising starts.

     

    Nice to talk to you

     

    Tim & Bev

     

    You all sound so very nice on this forum.

    Cheers

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    Big tip. Ask about the Meet & greet programme where you can get picked up and taken to cheap housing for the first6 months until you find out the place you wanna live.

    Treat it as a holiday period as we came with 4 young children when we arrived.

    I was a meet and greet volunteer and settled many young families.

     

    Just to say I think the Meet and Greet is still going but the government cancelled the cheap accommodation (OAA) last year.

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    A thread on here today about commuting from the southern suburbs to the city is talking about journeys of an hour and a half each way - that doesn't sound like more family time to me.

     

    I've been desperately trying to stay off that thread as all I want to ask is "WHY???!!!" :biglaugh::biglaugh:

     

    As for this thread, well, no-one can tell you whether moving here is the right thing for your family or not. We've been here 7 years and have a pretty good life, the kids have grown up here and I am happy with the opportunities they've had, but I still don't know whether we did the right thing, taking away their chance to really spend time with grandparents and aunts and uncles while the kids were still young... mind you, I've not been back to the UK for a few years now, and even when we do go for a holiday this year, we'll be in West Sussex so I expect we'll see all the nice things there rather than the dark side!

     

    It's not always easy to 'go back' - either for money reasons, job reasons or whatever, so if you have pretty strong doubts now, don't think they'll go away. You just have to decide at the end of the day whether the ups outweigh the downs....as I say, I'm still not totally decided myself!

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    Guest Mangoji
    Just to say I think the Meet and Greet is still going but the government cancelled the cheap accommodation (OAA) last year.

     

    Hello Anne

    Sounds about right. I bet if they wear a sari or bhaka they would pitch them a tent with a free barbi.

    I enjoyed M&G but 7 yrs as a volunteer was enough.

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