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    After submitting Vetasses on May 3rd, heard off our agent today and it's been declined :0(( Apparently my qualifications are above the job description of Project Administrator and therefore don't match. Really annoyed as when my boss signed off the skills assessment, my agent said it all matched the job description fine... obviously not!

     

    So now can appeal the Vetassess decision, although highly unlikely that it will be overturned, or do my Degree (3 years) and apply under a different occupation - but the prob here is that in july 2012, the system changes again and no one gets to apply for a visa... everyone fills out an application of interest and the government pick and choose who they want

     

    Gutted, Hope my dream isn't over :0((

     

    Mum 31, Dad 36, Boy 5, Girl 2

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    Hi I had similar problems with my trade (whitegoods engineer) is not recognised and has no asco code so i know how you feel. Have you looked into finding a company in Australia to sponser you on a employer nominated type visa. I looked around for companies on the net and found a company in Adelaide through an agent who was looking for people like my self. I am coming in on a rsms subclass 118 visa and I did not need to do a trade assesment as I can get the necessary training in Australia when I get there to get my electrical licence with the help of my employer.

     

    Hope this is of help good luck hope you find a way

     

    Steve.

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    Hi I had similar problems with my trade (whitegoods engineer) is not recognised and has no asco code so i know how you feel. Have you looked into finding a company in Australia to sponser you on a employer nominated type visa. I looked around for companies on the net and found a company in Adelaide through an agent who was looking for people like my self. I am coming in on a rsms subclass 118 visa and I did not need to do a trade assesment as I can get the necessary training in Australia when I get there to get my electrical licence with the help of my employer.

     

    Hope this is of help good luck hope you find a way

     

    Steve.

     

    Thanks Steve. Yes employer sponsored may be our only other option. I do Marketing / Public Relations which is now is required in Adelaide as it's on their list. I will need to speak to my agent and get them on the case! Thanks again for your post, glad to hear that there is light at the end of the tunnel!

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    but the prob here is that in july 2012, the system changes again and no one gets to apply for a visa... everyone fills out an application of interest and the government pick and choose who they want

     

     

    Seriously, the EoI is NOT a huge issue - have a bit of a look at visas to NZ, forums for that and people getting visas and you will see, it really isn't an issue at all - NZ have had an EoI system for years, and it makes it just all a lot fairer imho, it really was not an issue at all when I went through it. Basically it's exactly the same as now, you just don't pay until the Gov invite you to apply, by which stage you are pretty much def. going to get the visa, so it stops people submitting an application and wasting all that money when it wouldn't get picked in the new system.

     

    I think I'm going to do a post on this on our blog, because for some weird reason lots of people seem to think EoI = game over totally - it isn't, its just a lot fairer and easier and really not something to stress about, honestly.

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    Hi Guys, were you applying under state sponsorship for a 475? We're over on that visa and i'm working in Marketing. Are the Marketing options no longer on there? If your company has an Australian arm maybe explore that as getting a company to sponsor you was difficult as i tried with no joy. Can you reapply with Vetassess for other codes?

     

    good luck

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    Adelaide_bound - one of the drawbacks to EoI is that they are not accepting applications until Jan 2013 so there will be 6 months where nobody can apply, and if you've recently had a knock back due to planning levels (like me) you will be waiting more than a year before you can try again.

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    Hi all, don't give up things always change with DIAC. When I was getting my trade assessed in June/July 2009 visas were being processed quickly. I then applied for SA state sponsorship and due to the global economy they basically just shut the doors with a new skills list that only had a few critical jobs on it. I got a email like many others from DIAC when I put my visa application in Jan 2010 saying I would not have it processed until at least September 2012. They then changed the rules again and we got our case officer in Feb this year and now have our visas. DIAC and the states change there requirements and lists all the time. If you keep plodding on with the process you will get there eventually. Good luck.

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    Adelaide_bound - one of the drawbacks to EoI is that they are not accepting applications until Jan 2013 so there will be 6 months where nobody can apply, and if you've recently had a knock back due to planning levels (like me) you will be waiting more than a year before you can try again.

     

    But the delay isn't a long term EoI issue, its just a change over issue, same as it was when they shut SA SS when they had the change over this year - the point I'm making is that people seem to have the idea what DIAC will have a pick and choose policy that means most people won't be able to get a visa anymore, which really isn't the case. And the fast processing of visas is only a pretty recent development, for the past few years it has taken at least a year, if not longer in a lot of cases, to get your visa, so its no different from that really - its just the same as when the SS was going through very quickly, and now its slowed it feels really annoying, or when it was $3 to the £ and now its $1.5 to the £ it feels like you're 'losing money', which obviously isn't the case, but is annoying none the less.

     

    Can you not try another State for SS, or not go 175? :( I do feel for people who have missed out in cases like yours, it sucks - but where there is a will there is a way.

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    Hello Cables

     

    Reading your descriptions in this thread, something doesn't stack up here.

     

    I suspect that I know what has gone wrong but let us not leap to conclusions. Instead, let us start again - at the beginning - and work this out properly.

     

    http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

     

    Please start with the link above. Out of the various occupations described in the ASRI list, which of the ASRI list offcupations is the closest to what you actually do in your work, please? What do you spend the majority of your time doing?

     

    What academic qualification(s) do you have?

     

    Are you Mum or are you Dad, please? I note that there is a 5 year age difference, which would affect the number of Points for the main visa applicant.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gill

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    Seriously, the EoI is NOT a huge issue - have a bit of a look at visas to NZ, forums for that and people getting visas and you will see, it really isn't an issue at all - NZ have had an EoI system for years, and it makes it just all a lot fairer imho, it really was not an issue at all when I went through it. Basically it's exactly the same as now, you just don't pay until the Gov invite you to apply, by which stage you are pretty much def. going to get the visa, so it stops people submitting an application and wasting all that money when it wouldn't get picked in the new system.

     

    I think I'm going to do a post on this on our blog, because for some weird reason lots of people seem to think EoI = game over totally - it isn't, its just a lot fairer and easier and really not something to stress about, honestly.

     

    Hi AB

     

    This discussion is off-topic but hopefully the Original Poster will put up with both of us for a minute.

     

    I know that MZ have long used an EoI system, as you have confirmed. The only other thing I know about the EoI system with NZ is that apparently all the names are put into a ballot every two months (I think) and the then the names are selected at random, via this ballot? I think that is how it works in NZ? (Please correct me if I have misunderstood this.)

     

    If someone wants to submit an EoI for NZ, do they have to get a positive skills assessment and an IELTS before they can submit the Eoi?

     

    Thanks

     

    Gill

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    When we spoke with a migration agent about NZ, it's points based and those with the most points are picked first. For instance, I absolutely smashed the points (210 IIRC) and he reckoned I would be picked really quickly, then it was those with 150 points or more, then those with 140 all put into the "ballot". I don't think it was quite the lottery it sounded, but NZ is points based too, and then you lodge your EoI.

     

    That's my very vague understanding anyway.

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    When we spoke with a migration agent about NZ, it's points based and those with the most points are picked first. For instance, I absolutely smashed the points (210 IIRC) and he reckoned I would be picked really quickly, then it was those with 150 points or more, then those with 140 all put into the "ballot". I don't think it was quite the lottery it sounded, but NZ is points based too, and then you lodge your EoI.

     

    That's my very vague understanding anyway.

     

    Hi Chris_J

     

    Thanks very much for your contribution. Like most people, I know almost nothing about the NZ system of "Expressions of Interest" so I don't know whether DIAC's proposals will be identical to the system that the Kiwis use.

     

    According to the most recent document from DIAC, they intend to rely on a Points system with their own EoI but they haven't mentioned ballots. I can understand that it is premature to describe ballots unless you are sure that enough people will submit EoIs in the first place!

     

    Apparently the employers in Oz (the ones who bother to "engage with DIAC" about Immigration issues) are hostile to the idea of EoIs. The employers seem to be saying that there is a huge demand for Bodies in Australia, to go and work in the mines, work on the new LNG projects and so forth. The Aussies who live in the main cities are reluctant to travel to the Pilbara, the Far North of QLD or wherever it happens to be. They have homes, wives, children and other rellies close to home and many of them don't approve of FIFO (including my sister Elaine, who lives in Perth Metro.)

     

    The employers seem to think that new immigrants are much more pliable as far as whereabouts they go is concerned. I'm not sure. If the choice is between the Backofbeyondup in Australia or Toronto in Canada, I'd choose Toronto if it were me! The Aussie employers are - in effect - warning the Government that I might be right about this. The employers insist that it will be impossible to exploit Australia's mineral wealth to the full without enough Bodies to do it.

     

    So I don't know how this is all going to pan out in the end.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gill

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    Hi Cables

     

    Your post has filled me with dread - I am awaiting a VETASSESS response for the same skill set - Project and Program Administrator - and I already knew when I put it in that I am technically 'overqualified' for this post (I have an MBA and manage a team of project support staff). However, I did not think that being 'over' qualified would mean they would reject it. All of the elements on the job description which I applied against are within my post - I would happily work at that level again and in any event it was the closest fit that was on any of the lists. I don't see what else I could have done to apply down the skilled migration route seeing as my exact job has no match.

     

    Having read your post I am now entirely convinced that we have just wasted £400 and a load of time and will be certain to get a negative response. How heartbreaking :(

     

    I guess at least I am now braced for the worst.

     

    On another note, we previously looked into the EOI route for an NZ visa and had even got as far as filling in a draft version of the form, it was not actually so bad and it does seem to me like a fairer route for Aus visas if it means you only pay the fees once it is pretty much certain you will get the visa - what is annoying though is the inevitable delays that going down that route will add to our quest to get out there.

     

    I hope it all works out for you Cables, it seems this process requires mammoth patience and calm and is littered with hurdles and frustration.

     

    Ali

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    That's harsh indeed, surely they should work like ACS and suggest an alternative. Is there an alternative for you, which is on the SS list?

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    Hi Cables

     

    Your post has filled me with dread - I am awaiting a VETASSESS response for the same skill set - Project and Program Administrator - and I already knew when I put it in that I am technically 'overqualified' for this post (I have an MBA and manage a team of project support staff). However, I did not think that being 'over' qualified would mean they would reject it. All of the elements on the job description which I applied against are within my post - I would happily work at that level again and in any event it was the closest fit that was on any of the lists. I don't see what else I could have done to apply down the skilled migration route seeing as my exact job has no match.

     

    Having read your post I am now entirely convinced that we have just wasted £400 and a load of time and will be certain to get a negative response. How heartbreaking :(

     

    I guess at least I am now braced for the worst.

     

    On another note, we previously looked into the EOI route for an NZ visa and had even got as far as filling in a draft version of the form, it was not actually so bad and it does seem to me like a fairer route for Aus visas if it means you only pay the fees once it is pretty much certain you will get the visa - what is annoying though is the inevitable delays that going down that route will add to our quest to get out there.

     

    I hope it all works out for you Cables, it seems this process requires mammoth patience and calm and is littered with hurdles and frustration.

     

    Ali

     

    Oh please don't think the worst for yourself, maybe your occupation meets this occupation better then mine, everyone is different so fingers crossed you'll be fine! Do let me know when you hear! All the best! x

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    Hello Cables

     

    Reading your descriptions in this thread, something doesn't stack up here.

     

    I suspect that I know what has gone wrong but let us not leap to conclusions. Instead, let us start again - at the beginning - and work this out properly.

     

    http://www.immi.gov.au/asri/

     

    Please start with the link above. Out of the various occupations described in the ASRI list, which of the ASRI list offcupations is the closest to what you actually do in your work, please? What do you spend the majority of your time doing?

     

    What academic qualification(s) do you have?

     

    Are you Mum or are you Dad, please? I note that there is a 5 year age difference, which would affect the number of Points for the main visa applicant.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gill

     

    Hi Gill, thanks for your post. The occupation my agent advised me to go under was Project / Programme administrator (511112). However, my job is in marketing and has been for 9 years. I am a marketing executive for an international company and have full responsibility for the day to day running of the £4m plus company. BUT... the marketing specialist skills states the following...

     

    This occupation has a level of skill commensurate with a bachelor degree or higher qualification. At least five years of relevant experience may substitute for the formal qualification. In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification (ANZSCO Skill Level 1).

     

    So, I have a HNC in business, which I'm told is equivalent to an Australian Diploma. At the time of submitting my vetassess, I also had a Post Grad Diploma in Marketing, and 1 month after that, i had the full Masters degree, which i finished with a 1st (Distinction overall). My agent says even though I have my masters and my 9 years experience in marketing, I could not apply under 'marketing specialist' as I did not conform to the above (bold) statement.

     

    BUT... it says here that a Bachelor degree or higher education is necessary (didn't to bachelor as my tutor progressed me straight onto Masters due to my vast experience), but it also says that 5 years or more of experience may be a relevant substitute.... I have over the qualification they need, plus more years experience.

     

    My agent told me not to do this and to go under project administrator, which I did and now i've had a negative... I am very disappointed as I don't think they even considered the marketing role, which I wanted to go for.... I thought they'd know best. I am quite surprised to learn that I cannot pass the vetassess for Marketing Specialist with my quals & experience!!... ANY ADVISE????

     

    I'm a mum 32 years old (in 2 weeks). My agent said they would wait for the vetasses letter to arrive then they can see where it went wrong and take it from there, but i'm gutted to think that the only way in may be for me to sit by Bachelors degree, which takes 3 years (cant start until sept 2012) and is a step backwards in my qualification path.. plus costs ££££££!

     

    Please help me if you can! :0(((((( very grateful of your advise.

    Rhian x

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    Hello aliogilvie

     

    Please don't worry about your own situation. If you are a genuine Project Administrator then "over qualification" will not be a bar.

     

    Rhian, the Original Poster, admits that she is not a genuine Project Administrator. She says that she is actually a Marketing Specialist.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gill

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    That's harsh indeed, surely they should work like ACS and suggest an alternative. Is there an alternative for you, which is on the SS list?

     

    Hi Chris-J

     

    Yep, it is harsh. The ACS are allowed to be more flexible than Vetassess because the ACS do specialist skills assessments for a particular group. Vetassess get to deal with the people whom the ACS, Engineers Australia, TRA, the AMC, the ANMC etc won't deal with.

     

    Vetassess have no idea about the different occupations that they are expected to assess. Therefore Vetassess rely on textbooks instead, principally the Country Education Profiles for the person's academic qualifications and ANZSCO for a description of the occupation that the candidate wishes to nominate.

     

    In order to be "non discriminatory," Vetassess have to be inflexible as well. Anything less would lead a disgruntled applicant straight to the Court. Where the Judge would not be sympathetic towards Vetassess unless they can show that they have acted purely objectively, in accordance with the relevant documents only.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gill

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    Hi Gill, thanks for your post. The occupation my agent advised me to go under was Project / Programme administrator (511112). However, my job is in marketing and has been for 9 years. I am a marketing executive for an international company and have full responsibility for the day to day running of the £4m plus company. BUT... the marketing specialist skills states the following...

     

    This occupation has a level of skill commensurate with a bachelor degree or higher qualification. At least five years of relevant experience may substitute for the formal qualification. In some instances relevant experience and/or on-the-job training may be required in addition to the formal qualification (ANZSCO Skill Level 1).

     

    So, I have a HNC in business, which I'm told is equivalent to an Australian Diploma. At the time of submitting my vetassess, I also had a Post Grad Diploma in Marketing, and 1 month after that, i had the full Masters degree, which i finished with a 1st (Distinction overall). My agent says even though I have my masters and my 9 years experience in marketing, I could not apply under 'marketing specialist' as I did not conform to the above (bold) statement.

     

    BUT... it says here that a Bachelor degree or higher education is necessary (didn't to bachelor as my tutor progressed me straight onto Masters due to my vast experience), but it also says that 5 years or more of experience may be a relevant substitute.... I have over the qualification they need, plus more years experience.

     

    My agent told me not to do this and to go under project administrator, which I did and now i've had a negative... I am very disappointed as I don't think they even considered the marketing role, which I wanted to go for.... I thought they'd know best. I am quite surprised to learn that I cannot pass the vetassess for Marketing Specialist with my quals & experience!!... ANY ADVISE????

     

    I'm a mum 32 years old (in 2 weeks). My agent said they would wait for the vetasses letter to arrive then they can see where it went wrong and take it from there, but i'm gutted to think that the only way in may be for me to sit by Bachelors degree, which takes 3 years (cant start until sept 2012) and is a step backwards in my qualification path.. plus costs ££££££!

     

    Please help me if you can! :0(((((( very grateful of your advise.

    Rhian x

     

    Hi Rhian

     

    I'll send you a Private Message.

     

    Cheers

     

    Gill

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    Hi Cables

     

    Your post has filled me with dread - I am awaiting a VETASSESS response for the same skill set - Project and Program Administrator - and I already knew when I put it in that I am technically 'overqualified' for this post (I have an MBA and manage a team of project support staff). However, I did not think that being 'over' qualified would mean they would reject it. All of the elements on the job description which I applied against are within my post - I would happily work at that level again and in any event it was the closest fit that was on any of the lists. I don't see what else I could have done to apply down the skilled migration route seeing as my exact job has no match.

     

    Having read your post I am now entirely convinced that we have just wasted £400 and a load of time and will be certain to get a negative response. How heartbreaking :(

     

    I guess at least I am now braced for the worst.

     

    On another note, we previously looked into the EOI route for an NZ visa and had even got as far as filling in a draft version of the form, it was not actually so bad and it does seem to me like a fairer route for Aus visas if it means you only pay the fees once it is pretty much certain you will get the visa - what is annoying though is the inevitable delays that going down that route will add to our quest to get out there.

     

    I hope it all works out for you Cables, it seems this process requires mammoth patience and calm and is littered with hurdles and frustration.

     

    Ali

     

     

    Hi Ali, have you heard anything from Vetassess yet, I see you have lodged in August.

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    My agent said they would wait for the vetasses letter to arrive then they can see where it went wrong and take it from there,

     

    Rhian x

     

    Hello Rhian/ cables

    Had your Vetassess letter arrived yet, I am sorry for your problem, but I am trying to determine how long could it take for the letter to reach me after the decision is made.

     

    Thank you very much!

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    Hello Rhian/ cables

    Had your Vetassess letter arrived yet, I am sorry for your problem, but I am trying to determine how long could it take for the letter to reach me after the decision is made.

     

    Thank you very much!

     

    Hi. It's been 2 weeks tomorrow since we had the negative but we've not received any paperwork from the VETASSESS office as yet. agent said it would be a week but had that wrong too! :0((

     

    let me know when you get yours and what it says, I'll do the same

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    Hi Ali, have you heard anything from Vetassess yet, I see you have lodged in August.

     

    We lodged May 3rd and heard 2 weeks ago - they are taking approx 6 months at the moment :0(

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    We lodged May 3rd and heard 2 weeks ago - they are taking approx 6 months at the moment :0(

     

    Thank you very much, cables. It's incredible how long it takes for them to send an outcome letter, not mentioning processing the assessment itself.

     

    So, it's been two weeks and no letter yet, could you be so kind to tell me what option did you chose for letter posting back?

    (I remember there were 3+1 options: Regular Post=no fee (the default), Registered Australian Mail = $5, Express Post International=$16, Express courier=$34)

     

    Thank you so much!

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    Thank you very much, cables. It's incredible how long it takes for them to send an outcome letter, not mentioning processing the assessment itself.

     

    So, it's been two weeks and no letter yet, could you be so kind to tell me what option did you chose for letter posting back?

    (I remember there were 3+1 options: Regular Post=no fee (the default), Registered Australian Mail = $5, Express Post International=$16, Express courier=$34)

     

    Thank you so much!

     

    Hi,

     

    Had phone call off Agent today and they have had the letter from VETASSESS!!! (emailed to them) - so I asked to see a copy (which you should always do, especially if its a negative!). Its pretty much the same as what they said the first time. I have no problems emailing you a copy if that helps.. there's nothing personal on there!!

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