Anybody got any advice on how to get work in adelaide

[Guest thumbsup]

My advice leave.

 

I am born in Adelaide, uni qualified and cant get a single admin job. even a temp one.

 

Should state that i also have years of experience but it aint making a difference.

[adelaidenow]

My advice leave.

 

I am born in Adelaide, uni qualified and cant get a single admin job. even a temp one.

 

I don't care if I get warned or banned (due to my bluntness) for this but you have made 4 posts, all very negative and without dare I say it, truth or substantiation.

 

Anyhow maybe you can't get a job in Admin (and nothing wrong with Admin) due to your lack of English skills. In your one sentence there are multiple errors, all basic ones!

Edited May 29, 2014 by adelaidenow

[adelaidenow]

Adelaide can be a strange one - around 80%-90% of jobs are offered through networking rather than via recruiters or job adverts

 

Can you please link us to where you get this data from?

[Guest thumbsup]

I don't care if I get warned or banned (due to my bluntness) for this but you have made 4 posts, all very negative and without dare I say it, truth or substantiation.

 

Anyhow maybe you can't get a job in Admin (and nothing wrong with Admin) due to your lack of English skills. In your one sentence there are multiple errors, all basic ones!

 

 

Not sure i understand you. You seem to take my truthful assessment of Adelaide and Australian culture, from a person born and raised here no less as an attack on yourself. I can’t see how what i have said is not truthful. Many of the migrants here on this forum experience the same disappointment with Adelaide, It’s the reality.

Myself, I live here because of the lifestyle (beaches and traffic) compared to Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Perth. But over the years i have viewed Adelaide/this state more negatively and thus reflected in my posts. It’s got to the point where I see I will need to leave Adelaide for greener pastures.

As for my English mistakes... Oh boo hoo it’s a forum, not a job which i wish i had.

Edited May 29, 2014 by thumbsup

[Guest Claire-n-tel]

Hi Thumbs up, just a question but what made you join this forum?...not saying you shouldn't have but just wondering?

[Lazy Cow]

Not sure i understand you. You seem to take my truthful assessment of Adelaide and Australian culture, from a person born and raised here no less as an attack on yourself. I can’t see how what i have said is not truthful.

As for my English mistakes... Oh boo hoo it’s a forum, not a job which i wish i had.

 

I don't know, but I don't think Adelaidenow is so precious as to take your posts as an attack on himself. I think he (or she!) would support your right to an opinion. However, if an opinion is especioally contentious, it is really good if it is backed up with facts.

 

All that to one side, I also find your English pretty strange for someone who has been raised here. Your phrasing kinda seems as though English is your second language. TBH, I don't care one way or another, but if you want a job in Admin, surely you are going to be competing with people who are proficient communicators. Uni-educated or not lol!

 

Forums allow people to be whomever they want to be; you might never meet anyone on the forum face-to-face. The only thing that might make people doubt what is claimed, is what is said, or the way it is said.

 

So if I am wrong and you truly are a dinky-di, then apologies! Mind you, then Claire-n-tel's question becomes even more interesting, because if you didn't come from the UK, why would you come on a pommie site?

 

No offence.

 

LC

[Guest Kennymclachlan]

Can you please link us to where you get this data from?

 

This information is obtained from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. It is a general comparison between the number of people starting a new job compared to the number of advertised vacancies known commonly as the 'Hidden Job Market'.

 

Most people spend most time on the advertised jobs, perhaps this should be only 20% of their time instead!

[KennyKen]

Kenny I have read your comments and you are the only one who talks sense. Every local has told me to network and most jobs are from word of mouth. I have met some really decent locals who have gone out of there way to help me. From being a random pom to a neighbour then to a friend every level has progressed with further opportunities! Plenty of scaremongers here tho and yes Claire that might be unfair but that's what I'm reading and it's only my opinion!

[Guest davistev]

It is looking pretty grim I agree. My son just moved back after living in Canada on $12 an hour (struggling big time). He could not find work so he started his own business doing lawns (he had no experience what so ever). Now he pulls in $1600 to $2000 a week easy. If it wasn't for the "grimness", he would never had considered being his own boss. He loves it.

 

The point I am making is that sometimes - you have to consider what was once a no go.

[Guest Guest12727]

This information is obtained from the Australian Bureau of Statistics. It is a general comparison between the number of people starting a new job compared to the number of advertised vacancies known commonly as the 'Hidden Job Market'.

 

Most people spend most time on the advertised jobs, perhaps this should be only 20% of their time instead!

 

I found your comments interesting, so have tried to look further into this phenomena of the "hidden job market".

 

Firstly, I can't find any data on the ABS website around this. The number of jobs advertised isn't listed there which means you can't make the calculation.

 

I found many articles that all state this same figure "Statistics show that 80% of jobs are unpublicised". Not one of these articles had a reference for this number, and they were all written by people in the recruitment business....oh and Linkedin!

 

Then there is the definition of the word unpublicised. It seems that jobs can be listed in trade magazines, on professional websites, in Govt publications and even via agencies and this is all classed as unpublished by these articles. Well, I may be unusual, but if I was looking for a job in my profession, professional websites and magazines is the first place I would look.

 

Finally, the exact same figure (80%) was quoted in Sydney and America. So this idea that it is only an Adelaide phenomenon can definitely be debunked.

 

The message is, find where jobs are likely to be advertised in your field and subscribe to the publication, register with agencies that specialise in your field and keep badgering them, check the standard job sites daily and keep your ear to the ground. This last one is difficult for new migrants who don't have the connections - but it isn't just Adelaide, it is the same for anyone in a new place who doesn't know people in their field.

[Guest Kennymclachlan]

Hi Howde, I'll be more specific. It is not just the recruitment industry and LinkedIn that state these figures. These are also commonly quoted by CDAA (Careers Counsellors) members. You are correct that many jobs are advrtised within trade magazines, webs, etc. I'd go further - shop windows also! The figure (which generally sits at around 70%-80% in the westernised countries) is the jobs that do NOT go through agency recruiters or are listed on the main job boards. The majority of job seekers will use the most popular job boards and list themselves with agency recruiters. This is the point here - only around 20%-30% of the jobs available are gained through these platforms. There are many people (obviously you being one of them) that go beyond these common jobseeking avenues, but that still doesn't cover all of the important areas. Networking (from word of mouth to in-house employer referral schemes) is widely recognised throughout the career advisory services and the recruitment industry (bearing in mind the recruitment industry does not have a vested interest in networking to get a job!) as extremely important when jobseeking.

 

I understand that you are attempting to shed a degree of doubt upon the quoted figures but please remember that the people that come up with these figures do not benefit from them. Why would the recruitment industry continue to publish fictitional figures which told people to go elsewhere to look for a job rather than through them - they would publish figures in the opposite spectrum (they would say: "70%-80% of jobs are gained via recruitment agencies - come sign up with us if you want to stand any chance!").

 

Jobseekers should understand (whether they are en route to Austrlia or already here) that a narrow, conventional jobseeking method will limit success.

[adelaidenow]

Hi Howde, I'll be more specific. It is not just the recruitment industry and LinkedIn that state these figures. These are also commonly quoted by CDAA (Careers Counsellors) members. You are correct that many jobs are advrtised within trade magazines, webs, etc. I'd go further - shop windows also! The figure (which generally sits at around 70%-80% in the westernised countries) is the jobs that do NOT go through agency recruiters or are listed on the main job boards. The majority of job seekers will use the most popular job boards and list themselves with agency recruiters. This is the point here - only around 20%-30% of the jobs available are gained through these platforms. There are many people (obviously you being one of them) that go beyond these common jobseeking avenues, but that still doesn't cover all of the important areas. Networking (from word of mouth to in-house employer referral schemes) is widely recognised throughout the career advisory services and the recruitment industry (bearing in mind the recruitment industry does not have a vested interest in networking to get a job!) as extremely important when jobseeking.

 

I understand that you are attempting to shed a degree of doubt upon the quoted figures but please remember that the people that come up with these figures do not benefit from them. Why would the recruitment industry continue to publish fictitional figures which told people to go elsewhere to look for a job rather than through them - they would publish figures in the opposite spectrum (they would say: "70%-80% of jobs are gained via recruitment agencies - come sign up with us if you want to stand any chance!").

 

Jobseekers should understand (whether they are en route to Austrlia or already here) that a narrow, conventional jobseeking method will limit success.

 

But none of the above is specific to Adelaide.

 

Job hunting here is no different to anywhere else. I am not sure if you (but others certainly have) are always going about Adelaide is unique re networking, you have shown nothing to prove that.

 

EDIT: I have just looked at the CDAA website, and no mention of hidden job market stats! The only mention is how to tap into it. I reckon it's a figure (80%) that is just used, but has no credibility and data to back it up!

Edited June 3, 2014 by adelaidenow

[Guest Kennymclachlan]

Yes, Adelaide is a little different to the larger cities - simply due to the size. I certainly can't speak for every profession but my direct experience of the HR profession taught me that networking here is almost a necessity for finding work. The professional communities within the Adelaide area are far smaller than other, larger areas and, due to this, there is far more knowledge of who's who in that professional network. That is fact.

 

I have also spent a lot of time talking with recruiters in the Adelaide area (who, by comparison to other States, have it quite tough here due to this phenomenan - I know that won't get any sympathy and none is required!). The people who know about the ins and outs of the job markets within the Adelaide area are the recruitment agencies and the internal recruitment professionals. These are the people I have spoken with about this and they all, without exception, say the same thing. The relatively small business sector communities within the Adelaide area are well known and networked with each other and newcomers are strongly advised to break in to this network as early as possible. LinkedIn is an excellent tool for that job by the way.

[adelaidenow]

As a professional can you get the stats for how many jobs were filled in the past 6 months, and then the number advertised?

I know the latter is made public.

[Guest Kennymclachlan]

The Australian Bureua of Statistics publish the stats on the number of people starting work in a given period. The recruitment industry know how many jobs were advertised via them/job boards (I do not personally have access to that information). That's the equation. Like I said, the recruitment industry would receive no benefit whatsoever in releasing fictional figures such as these as it it essentially advises people to concentrate 70%-80% of their time in other areas and would have a negative effect on thier industry as a whole.

 

I'm unsure why a few people are pressing this so hard. We are all here to try and advise people on the best ways to proceed. I do not have a personal vendetta against recruitment agencies so am not making up figures to attempt to stop people using them. This conversation is rapidly becoming counter-productive.

 

Edit: @Adelaidenow - At no point did I say that the CDAA 'publish' these figures on the hidden job market.

Edited June 3, 2014 by Kennymclachlan

[adelaidenow]

Until yesterday I had never heard about the hidden job market, I am genuinely interested.

 

Re this bit

 

The Australian Bureua of Statistics publish the stats on the number of people starting work in a given period. The recruitment industry know how many jobs were advertised via them/job boards (I do not personally have access to that information). That's the equation - See more at: http://www.pomsinadelaide.com/forum/jobs-careers/42090-anybody-got-any-advice-how-get-work-adelaide-4.html#post294102

 

Where do people who move from one job to another come into this?