Some thoughts about migrating..

[Guest lynne]

It is part of being human when you move to another country you seek and spend time with people who are from your orginal country. Its a kind of safety and protection mode.

 

When we were living in Spain there were communities of British people in certain areas with there own pubs, shops etc and they did not speak spanish. They use british plumbers, gardeners etc.

 

Obviously the Spanish people do not like this and this is not integration.

 

Within the area I work in Britain the local shops are owned and run by people who have arrived in England many years ago. When I walk up this shopping area you would think you are in another country. Signs in there language, products from there country etc. Its common to see people in the clothers of there original country. Some people in this area can not read or speak in English even though some people have been in England for 20 till 30 years. They can not even say hello my name is mrs.......and I live .............. When you are living in an area that speaks your language all the shops speak your language the products that you need are sold in the local shops than you do not need to learn English even though you are living in England.

 

To work in this area I have had to learn to speak another language so I can provide a good service to the people in this area. So now I can speak 3 languages English, Spanish and another one.

 

When I walk up this main shopping area I feel very safe because I know alot of the people who live in this area. Yet when I took my aupair to this area (she is white and polish) she kept saying "Lyn every one is staring at me" and yes she was right. This is because apart from myself she was the only other white person in the area.

 

Now don't get me wrong I love working in this area and the people are wonderful. However, what is going to happen in 50 years time. Segregation to the extreme, its very frightening for our children.

 

In 2009 children in British schools are not going to be taught about the history of the Jewist people and how millions were killed just for being Jewist. How can we discard such an important event in history. What is England coming too?

 

We use to be such a good upstanding proud nation. Now we are so diluted and keep being politicly correct instead of saying we are British and if you don't want to accept that and respect our values than go and live in another country. This is not prejudice. And this is what the Australians do very well. To integrate you need to speak the language of the country.

 

England is a good mother inviting lots of people in paying benefits and heatlh. Yet they do not protect these excellent values.

 

We have asylum seekers who have been rejected entry by the courts yet they disappear and get lost in the country. One asylum seeker who was refused entry (after a few years he is still here) as gone into renal failure and he is now sueing the hospital because they are refusing to treat him. Because its his human rights. And who is paying for his solicitor and court cost the average working man in the street. England can not provide all the housing and medical care for the world, they need to take a leaf out of the way Australia is run.

 

Why do refugees travel through France or Germany and then claim refugee status in England!!!! We must be stupid as a country. Why did Germany and France reject the Humans Rights act?

 

Yes some refugees definatley deserve to stay in a safe country and England should play there part but they should not take the majority.

 

Only time will tell what happens to this country!

 

Lyn

[Guest Django]

Excellently put Pete, but I will still have a celebration on St Paddy's day even when I'm in OZ

 

Nothing wrong with that. I will join you, if invited. I will be toasting St. George on the 23rd April. But I won't insist that the rest of Australia puts up banners and crosses for the day.

 

Pete

[Guest moonraker1959]

Hi all,

Can I just say something?If this website was called Aussie in the Uk,would'nt british people tell you the good and bad points?Why is it so hard to accept for Poms migrating, that Australia does have its share of problems?Sorry but it really irritates me lately!I lived in Oz for 30 years,and I feel people (in general not just on this website)assume just because they are prepared to move 10,000 miles away all the problems will disappear like magic.If I was about to emigrate (I am going back home later this year to Oz)I would certainly want to know as much as possible not just the good things,because that way I would be able to make a decision based on fact!

[Guest moonraker1959]

Hi I can name lots of suburbs in Adelaide that are predominately one race and its not Australian!!! They also do not assimilate,its a global thing not just british I'm afraid!!! Yes I've also seen suburbs in Oz "taken over"by Vietnamese,their signs everywhere in their own language,aussies are also becoming afraid of losing their jobs to immigrants.You cannot get away from it no matter where you live!

[Guest Django]

Hi all,

Can I just say something?If this website was called Aussie in the Uk,would'nt british people tell you the good and bad points?Why is it so hard to accept for Poms migrating, that Australia does have its share of problems?Sorry but it really irritates me lately!I lived in Oz for 30 years,and I feel people (in general not just on this website)assume just because they are prepared to move 10,000 miles away all the problems will disappear like magic.If I was about to emigrate (I am going back home later this year to Oz)I would certainly want to know as much as possible not just the good things,because that way I would be able to make a decision based on fact!

 

Who said there are no problems in Oz?

 

We aren't stupid. We know there are problems all over the globe. Read through the thread again and point out who said there is no problems in Oz?

 

Pete

[ianb]

I have nothing against any race, creed or religion. What I object to is that people moving to another country and then try to make it resemble the place they left behind. If you don't like where you are moving to don't move.

 

Again just my opinion.

 

Pete

 

My sentiments entirely

 

in my opinion of course;)

[Guest happy feet]

My sentiments entirely

 

in my opinion of course;)

 

I have to agree with Pete and Lynne, couldn't say it better myself .Go to a country and adapt to their way of life, don't except them to change the way they live just to suit you, whether it be religous beliefs or lanuage barriers. Remember you are asking to go to their country not asking them to come to yours.:jimlad:

 

Don't worry be happy!!!!!

 

Cara xxxx

[Guest mingmen]

some excellent comments going on, well, as i started this thread, i thought i would like axpand al ittle more on why I have decided against oz, for other reasons, and the cux de gras of my decicion was agravated by the SA asking for money up front, which is fine, if your really desperate to escape, but im not as i already have escaped the uk and reside in asia. So, what made me decide? well, i went to spain, hadnt been back to Europe for 4 years, and hadent seen barcelona for 10, and when i was there, i went with and open mind, and it inspired me, as a city, and especiall, the multicultural feeling there,the changes, whichi really liked, plus it had its rough edges, which i really liked too but what was most imortant for me was that the place inspired me to want to move there, i didnt get any inspiration from oz at all, and yes, if you like jumping through small hoops, its fine. but for me, spain, with all its roughness, poor pay, expensive cost of living, etc. etc. had something, and im willing to take my family there. Oz i think is fine too, but at the same time, i cant relate to it, for various reasons, it would i think be great in the short term, but im not sure peersonally about the long term. I lived in oz for a while, had an amazing time, vowed to move back some day, but in the passage of time, i can accept that i have changed, and the things that i want, are not as important as the things i need.

 

thats me done

[Guest Guest75]

Like I have always said. I'm not PC. :biglaugh:I have nothing against any race, creed or religion. What I object to is that people moving to another country and then try to make it resemble the place they left behind. Move on and blend into your new enviroment rather than change the landscape to suit you. If you don't like where you are moving to don't move.

 

Again just my opinion.

 

Pete

 

I can see why they are letting you in;)

 

My thoughts too.

[Guest lynne]

Dear Mingman,

 

We hope you have a lovely life in Spain. True Spain is a wonderful country with wonderful people. However, its very difficult to find a permanent job because of the employment laws. Its even more difficult for our teenage children to find suitable work. But than again the teenage children can do what the spanish children do and go abroad for a few years.

 

If you mix with the spanish people and try to speak their language they will respect you greatly. However, alot of the brits live in Spainish/brit land, this is not the true Spain.

 

le deseamos una vida muy feliz en España

(we wish you a very happy life in Spain)

 

adios

(bye)

[Guest lastboyscout]

How do all

(hello in my local speak:biglaugh:)

 

Ive read all the comments through this thread and one thing springs to mind

 

`Sour grapes leave a bitter taste in your gob`

 

Thats just my opinion of course;)

[Guest mingmen]

Hi lyn,

Many thanks for your kind reply. I will be going to Spain to establish my own business and practice in the field of my profession that I have been apprenticed in for the last 7 years here in Asia so basically, I will be starting my own business which will eventually be of a huge benefit in Europe, since no one has actually apprenticed for as long as I have in my specialist field ( sorry, I don’t want to give too much away on a public forum and secondly, I could be considered crazy for apprenticing for so long! ) anyway, it’s a dedication and the learning process is ongoing, and I feel that art forms ( for want of a better word ) are more recognised in Europe, or lets say, have a deeper resonance with the culture and yes, the real Spain is what I like most and thanks so much for the encouragement about the locals appreciating people speaking the language, I intend to give it my really best shot and get something very good off the ground there. My boy is only 5, perhaps he will apprentice to me in the future.

good luck in oz, im sure it will be great for you andyour family too and offer you some really good oppertunities

[Guest lastboyscout]

I know what your specialist field is mingmen;)

 

Are you opening a jedi school in spain?

 

 

If so, bugger Oz , I`m going to Spain:biglaugh:

[Guest Sharon and Paul]

thanks for your comments regarding my post. Actually, I do have 10K of Aud liquid assets and could re submit my application, if i wanted to and i agree that its a usual amount. However, the point I am making is that I made the application based on my assets AND my pure intention to set my self up there, which , put simply means I would need money and yes, I would liquify some of my assets if the gave me the thumbs up, but, now, they want to see my assets first, before they offer me sponsership and i will have to make the application all again with a statement of my asstets. Its fine if i really wanted to go to OZ, but i dont now, so it doesnt matter anyway and i wont look back and wonder in the future as I think Europe is better for me in the long term anyway. I do however think certain aspects of the immigration are stupid when you really think about it and is it robust? Maybe? Oh, and the person who I inspired to really want to go for it, excellent! Good luck to all who venture. Respect.

HI MINGMEN , follow your hart and desires:unsure: ,If you change your mind you know we are all here to help anyway we can ?. ATB Paul

[carla&trev]

Hi

I am not sure which european country you are now living in but we have lived in France for 2 and a half years and decided whilst there that it wasn't for us and that Australia as it was our first choice is where we wanted to be. However, I do think that living in a foreign country - albeit very close to the UK and beautiful - brings its own disadvantages which get you down in the end - you may not be at that point yet, you may never get to that point but for us there were several factors that got us down in the end. Yes, it is close to the UK which Australia isn't, yes, it is beautiful and you can buy a large property for half what you would in the UK, yes, it is a lovely place to bring up children but what you don't take into consideration is the heavy tax system (taking about 51% of your wages in the 3rd year of business), having a headache just trying to deal with all the bureaucracy in a foreign language, not being able to have a simple conversation (unless you are fluent of course in your chosen country's language), it gets you down, makes life so much harder.

 

I hope you don't get to that point and you are very happy for years to come wherever you are, but there are always two sides to everything, there are always going to be ups and downs regarding any process and highs and lows but believe me, it is a damn sight easier when it is in your own language!

 

Regards

 

Carla

[julie-ruth]

Hi you are right this is an interesting thread people have very strong views, but you can see both sides of the complicated visa process, look at it this way when you go to the bank and want information on your account you expect to produce to string of vigiourous security checks we don't mind showing our id, account number, signing a peace of paper so they know you are genuine. This is by all accounts OZ they will take only what is needed and make sure the people are genuine thats why its hard its the same with other places Canada example. We have all the time people coming to this country to take advantage of our NHS, school system, housing and benifits we all feel it, but each family/person has their own reason for choosing oz.

 

Good luck to everyone with their choices.

 

Julie

[Guest LOCO IN OZ]

So do you still need the AUD$10,000 to have a successful application? Does this come up at the visa application stage? Liquid assets, is that cash/savings? Does equity not count?

[Guest Django]

So do you still need the AUD$10,000 to have a successful application? Does this come up at the visa application stage? Liquid assets, is that cash/savings? Does equity not count?

 

Depends on your visa. For instance, you don't need a penny to your name to gain a 175 visa.

 

Pete

[Guest LOCO IN OZ]

I see, thanks, I think my OH is going for the Independent Migrant subclass 175 visa. Do you know why it's different for this visa?

 

He was told at the skills expo at Australia House that 175 would be the best option for him and it gives you more freedom.

[Guest Libby1971]

It might depend on your points total.

 

We came in on the 136 Skilled Independent Visa which gave PR from the outside. I think the one you are talking about replaced it, not sure.

 

Anyway, I was the main applicant as OH couldn't get the points (too old). We were still 5 points short and had 2 choices. Pay the cash OR do a skills assessment for OH and use that. Purely due to time constraints we paid the cash. It also meant we had a nice little sum earlier this year to do the home improvements we wanted.

[Guest Sharron & Andrew]

This has been a very interesting read. We are (hopfully) coming out on a 175 visa (replacement for the 136). We have wanted to live and work in Australia for the last 10 years - my husband is a qualified bricklayer, but is also dyslexic and we thought that we would never be able to get through the visa process because of this. Yes we could have taken the easy option and gone to another European country, but we didn't want to we wanted to go to Australia. Therefore, my husband has worked very hard to improve his condition and because of this changes in the application procedure, and an excellent agent we are now finally on our way.

Everyone who applies for a visa has and will continue to work very hard in order to be successful, and so they should after all if we all had free movement, Australia would be in the position we are in now - the Poles are going home by the bus load because they can't get work!!!

[Guest LOCO IN OZ]

Exactly.

 

I for one am very glad that the process is so difficult, at least the dead legs in the UK that we're all trying to escape from might not get a sniff at getting in Oz, keeps all the riff raff out and tries to ensure everyone's above board and willing to work for a better life and that's fine with me!

[Guest LOCO IN OZ]

Oh by the way Sharron & Andrew, when are you due to leave, do you know yet? Congrat's, your husband has done you proud!

 

My cousin and her husband used to own the Cumbria Ballroom in Workington until a couple of years ago.

[Guest Sharron & Andrew]

Hi Wayne & Rachael,

 

What a small world! Some friends of mine were going to buy the Cumbria and turn it into a place for young people to meet and partake in supervised activites, but the locals objected saying it would be too noisey and the kids would be getting up to no good outside their houses so the council turned them down. Now it is stood empty and the kids have nowhere to go.

 

As for the process, we have just lodged Andrew's documentation on line and in paper form to VETASSESS and are hoping that we should have confirmation of his place on the practical skills test that takes place in October. He will have to go to either Glasgow or Tranmere for this, and then we will all have to go back to either Glasgow or Manchester for our medicals. Lucky for us Andrew's cousin wants to buy our house so we will be on our way as soon as the visa comes through! Will keep everone posted on our time line on our signature thingy!

 

Sharron

[Guest LOCO IN OZ]

Hi Sharron,

 

Typical of the UK that, we ask for something to be done about the kids on the streets then someone tries to do something and it gets rejected!

 

Didn't realise you had just started the ball rolling, funnily enough we posted the paperwork on Friday for the Vetassess/Tradeassess, my OH is looking to take the practical in October too, don't know where our nearest place will be, probably London or Birmingham, don't think they do Manchester. Your using an agent aren't you, we're doing it all ourselves, I'm a glutton for punishment!

 

Who knows, we might all end up getting to Oz at the same time, after reading all the doom and gloom about selling houses we're a little worried but all depends on what happens along the way, at least that's one less thing for you to think about if you already have a buyer. We might have to look at renting our house as we have a close friend who's a letting agent so it's not too bad. Not worrying about it too much for now because there's not much we can do about it. Our house is only worth £130 - £140k so as long as we get £100k for it we won't be too depressed. House prices are a bit ridiculous anyway aren't they, I do feel sorry for first time buyers.

 

I've started listing things on the signature thingy too, to keep at track of the costs as well, watch the pennies slip away!

 

Rachael.