Tamara (Homes Down Under)

Are we a nanny state?

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    Good topical question. We certainly have plenty of rules and regs.

     

    Do you think they are turning us into a nanny state or are the rules there to prevent / alleviate bad behaviour?

     

    10 laws that suggest Australia is a nanny state

     

    By Samantha Menzies | Yahoo7 Finance – 20 hours ago

     

     

    Lock-out laws, bicycle helmet regulations and picnic permits are just some of the outrageous laws which suggest that Australia’s criminal legislation has gone a step too far.

     

    While many of these laws have been implemented in the expectation that is will reduce violence or improve health and safety, in many cases the excessive laws are being accused of restricted freedom, ruining livelihood of small businesses and turning the nation into a nanny state.

     

    Here are 10 examples.

    Lockout laws

    Sydney’s lockout law – introduced in response to the increasing level of drunk violence in the King’s Cross district in particular – states that establishments can’t allow entry after 1.30am and can’t serve alcohol after 3am in parts of Sydney’s CBD and the King’s Cross district.

    Also read: Why the Aussie nightclub industry is dying

    Implementation of the restrictive new rules have resulted in the closure of several iconic nightclubs across the city.

    Those which have been able to survive in the declining industry and still remain in business have reported huge falls in revenue and profitability.

    More recently, Queensland has announced it has secured support for its own restrictive lockout law which will introduce 2am ‘last drinks’ across much of the state by July this year and 1am lockouts in 2017, as well as restrictions on drinks like shots and doubles.

     

    However, Victoria continues to resist and attempt for a Melbourne lockout after the failed trial of a 2am lockout policy in 2008.

    A the time, reports saw that it actually led to in an increase in violence in the area, and could negatively impact the city’s vibrant night economy which is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Also read: The Star doesn't need lockouts: casino CEO

    Buying alcohol after 10pm

    Alongside Sydney’s lockout laws, a state-wide ban on takeaway alcohol sales after 10pm was introduced. This has also received significant negative feedback.

     

    Cycling laws

    Australia’s newest piece of criminal legislation is among the toughest in the world.

    Riders in Sydney and the rest of New South Wales state will soon be subject to a package of new laws aimed at cutting deaths and the more than 1,000 serious injuries a year among cyclists.

    Also read: Cough up, cyclists: Aussie laws 'reaching new lows'

    The penalty for cycling without a helmet more than quadruples to $319, stiffer than many speeding fines for drivers, and riders jumping a red light will get a $425 fine.

    Adult riders will have to carry identification, or face a $106 penalty from March 2017.

     

    Plain packaging law

    Cigarette plain packaging laws were introduced by the former Gillard Government in a bid to reduce smoking rates across the state.

    However, some claim that the removal of branding has instead only led to an increase in consumption of cheaper or illegally imported cigarettes.

    Advertising bans

    A raft of advertising regulations heavily restrict marketing which relates to children, unhealthy food, alcohol, financial products among other things.

    This extends from TV adverts to billboards and even radio.

     

    Picnic permits

    Some suburbs have begun requiring groups to register and pay for a permit to spend the afternoon in public parks – these permits are then checked by patrolling council officers.

    For example, in Port Phillip, park visitors with parties larger than 20 people need an $82 permit which buys them only two hours. Each additional hours cost and extra $41.

    Also read: Easier to drink in North Korea than Sydney

    Sydney’s Waverly council has even adopted an events policy that requires a permit any event on its Bondi, Bronte or Tamarama beaches publicised on social media, regardless of the number of guests, or face a $220 fine.

    Website age gates

    As part of the regulations around marketing to children, alcohol brands’ websites are required to have an age gate to check if the user is over 18.

    Given there is no way to verify the user is actually over 18, the requirement is virtually pointless.

     

    Smoking bans

    A ban on smoking in all indoor dining areas was introduced in South Australia in January 1999 and as of 6 December 2004, smoking was banned in all enclosed public places, workplaces and shared areas under amendments to the Tobacco Products Regulation Act 1997.

    Also read: Invion eyes success with quit smoking drug

    Queensland has recently passed further laws to restrict smokers from lighting up not only in enclosed public spaces but also in outdoor public places near childcare facilities, bus stops, taxi ranks, public pools, children’s sporting venues, skate parts and outdoor malls.

    The new laws also ban the sale of tobacco products from pop-up retail outlets, such as at music festivals.

     

    Footpath dining restrictions

    Councils are steadily increasing restrictions on any café, restaurant or store which has an area outside on a public footpath with a footpath dining permit now required in order to use the area for customers to eat and drink.

    The rules, thought to regulate outdoor dining to ensure the safety of diners and pedestrians, not only restricts where visitors can eat but also when.

     

    Also read: Australia toughens property ownership laws for foreigners

    BBQ license

    It’s not just public places which carry restrictive rules, tenants who create too much smoke when barbecuing on unit balconies could soon face fines of up to $2200 under proposed changes to strata laws.

     

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    I think in some ways definitely - I think some of those laws you listed are less about a nanny state and more about income; a bit like the sneaky speed cameras. Given that people sue anyone they think they can get anything from now I think the advertising bans are probably about making sure they cover themselves. Drinking ones are tricky because it's so much a part of society here, I think there needs to be education and less acceptance around the follies of drinking but perhaps that's only because that sort of thing hasn't been my idea of a great night out for about 20 years (how old do I sound?!).

     

    I watched a programme on SBS the other evening about forest schools in Denmark and they allow pre-school children (under 7's) free access to really tall trees, knives for whittling and the centre featured was based right next to fjord but the children knew where to stop and the only accident in 17 years had been a parent running over a child's foot.

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    I must admit being back in the UK the places people smoke never ceases to amaze me Watched one bloke in pyjamas and a wheelchair in front of the local hospital fag in hand and there is a cloud of smoke to pass through to get into the hospital ! They are not supposed to smoke on the ground but they do A recent trip to Spain was also an eye opener as they were smoking in the restaurants when eating put me off some places altogether I am not having a go at smokers by the way but I choose not to smoke and think there needs to be consideration both ways

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    Philly: "Watched one bloke in pyjamas and a wheelchair in front of the local hospital fag in hand and there is a cloud of smoke to pass through to get into the hospital"

     

    Walking past RAH is the same. In fact I find it pretty confronting esp when I am with my children.

     

     

     

    Oh, but surely not -what a pithy and eloquent statement that little gaggle of wheezing amputees make to the rest of us.

     

    Personally, I'd pay them a small stipend for the Public Health message they proclaim with what little breath left in them:

     

    "carry on like us nutters and this is where you'll end up, Kids"

     

    JB :swoon:

    Edited by John Browning

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    Worst ones are fag in one hand oxcygen bottle strapped to the wheel chair , I am not attacking smokers each to their own but when your walking into a hospital for goodness sake give a thought the people in there are sick allready !!

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    Philly, I can see you getting quite worked up about this.

     

    -Perhaps we should front up at the RAH and see what happens if we ask them for a gasp of their oxygen while walking past

     

    .... Do you think they might take the hint?

     

    Always used to enjoy it when they still had Cigarette Adverts at the cinema,..... you remember :something about Alpine Streams, usually

     

     

    We used to sit up the back hacking our lungs out... it was the most disgusting cacophony

     

     

    Ah those were the days

     

    JB :swoon:

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    Not at all John takes a lot to wind me up lol Actually it's the hospital in my home town in the UK I referred to I have never seen anyone smoke near the hospitals in Adelaide - maybe because I have not been in hospital for a while

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