I am seeing two MPs and need PIA members permission to highlight employment issues.

[Guest Safferdan]

Just for Martin

 

Lets not get personal

 

I have removed your last coment. I will not stand for any personal insults. Especially when they contain bad spelling or grammer.

BTW.... I believe you wanted to say you're rather than your.

 

Pete

[Guest Martin and Val]

Just for Martin

 

Lets not get personal your ****** *******

 

Again read the post if it is racist in any way I will ask for it to be removed!

It is not!

Halfwit you say, OK fine if you want to be personal carry on.

Maybe you should show a little more respect to others?

Lets hope that you don't have any issues once you arrive on your temp Visa, but if you do I'm certain somebody on here will gladly help even a racist halfwit if there is one here!

[bill]

Heres another way of looking at it, maybe us Aussies are a bit sick of all the English coming over! 60,000 last year alone! If you all went home right now with the current

UK economic climate and job prospects you might all stop whinging for 5 minutes.

 

With the attitudes that come over on this site its no wonder yo ucant find work.

Hey, this thread is meant to be about Cazzie putting in a lot of effort on behalf of others in order to attempt to correct a few of the inequities that exist in the visa process. Go for it, girl!

Plenty of people have responded, both publicly and privately, with problems that they have had. They aren't whingers and they want to stay in Australia, because it is a great place to live. Attitudes like yours won't deter those of us who care from seeking to correct a few inequities. Like all systems, the current visa system has its weaknesses. Why shouldn't people try to correct those weaknesses, and make a better system for everybody in the immigration process?

Of course, there will always be things that can't be solved - like your attitude. But those of us who care about the people behind these stories will treat such attitudes with the contempt that they deserve.

Keep the constructive feedback going, folks!

[Guest Safferdan]

Australia did not start it immigration policy a couple of hundred of years ago, It became a federation of the states in 1901, thereby deeming it impossible, following Martin inane loigic, for the Australian government to have followed any co-ordinated policy of attracting immigrants to Australia. Rather, I think you'll find, once you've done a bit of reading. It was a British policy of enforced emigration, with the obvious exception of Adelaide.

 

 

Back to the issue at hand

 

Do your research, and you won't get hit by these problems. It is clear that times have changes economically and socially in the last 18 months. We need to remeber that we are guests in someonelse's land, and they had different ways of seeing things and dealing with them. The days of running off and complaining to your local MP are gone. You will be doing yourself and those that live in Oz on TR and wish to move there a grave disservice

 

Safferdan

[Guest King Prawn Curry]

Hi Safferdan,

 

Like you, this is also my first post (and I've been following the site for over a year aswell). Like you, I also beleive this post needs some common sense applied. Unlike you I fully understand the nature of this post.

 

The point is not that Temp Visa holders are unwilling to work outside of there skill set, want jobs handed to them on a plate or indeed beleive they are entitled to something they absolutely are not. The point of the post is to highlight the frustrations that Temp Visa holders are seen as an unknown risk in recruitment.

 

I am one of many migrants that have State sponsorship, but thus far have been informed (by recruitment specialist and employers) that my Visa category puts me at a distinct disadvantage when job hunting. I had hoped that this wouldn't have been the case, but as I have done a significant amount of research and as I am moving to Adelaide not for professional reasons, but to provide a better (healthier and happier) future for my children, I will be pleased to work in what ever profession I am accepted in.

 

However, I'm not sure this is what the SA Government had in mind when they sponsored me to live and work in Australia as a Business and Information Professional. From my experience there already seems to be plenty of barmen in Adelaide.

[Guest Lisado]

Hi all

 

Not sure what is going on with this thread but I can see the point of view of all of us.

 

Saffadan - hmmm bit personal I think but can see where you are coming from. I think by re-reading your post you weren't telling people to "bugger off".

 

Martin, I have looked at many of your posts and found them helpful - lets not be drawn into this

 

Cazzie - Personally as in a previous post. I am not 100% sure about this. I would appreciate it is when you meet the MP you don't represent all immigrants as (daft as it may sound) I am very worried this may have an impact on my and fellow visa applicants' process

 

I look at PIA for advice and help - not squabbles. I feel we should, no matter what, be able to voice opinion. I think it would be naive, however, to think this post would not get a mixture / personal responses!

 

Lisa

[bill]

Australia did not start it immigration policy a couple of hundred of years ago, It became a federation of the states in 1901, thereby deeming it impossible, following Martin inane loigic, for the Australian government to have followed any co-ordinated policy of attracting immigrants to Australia. Rather, I think you'll find, once you've done a bit of reading. It was a British policy of enforced emigration, with the obvious exception of Adelaide.

 

 

Back to the issue at hand

 

Do your research, and you won't get hit by these problems. It is clear that times have changes economically and socially in the last 18 months. We need to remeber that we are guests in someonelse's land, and they had different ways of seeing things and dealing with them. The days of running off and complaining to your local MP are gone. You will be doing yourself and those that live in Oz on TR and wish to move there a grave disservice

 

Safferdan

Plenty of people (those who the system has failed) don't seem to feel that they would be having a grave disservice done to them. Do you honestly think that the Australian authorities, desperately trying to fill regional employment shortfalls and increase the population, are going to punish potentially suitable migrants, by throwing their collective rattle out of the pram? (Aussies please read this as spit the dummy!). Surely they will welcome constructive suggestions to make the visa system work better? Why wouldn't they want it work as well as it possibly can? For everybody, wherever they come from, wherever in Australia thay are going.

[Guest cazzie]

Hi all

 

Not sure what is going on with this thread but I can see the point of view of all of us.

 

Saffadan - hmmm bit personal I think but can see where you are coming from. I think by re-reading your post you weren't telling people to "bugger off".

 

Martin, I have looked at many of your posts and found them helpful - lets not be drawn into this

 

Cazzie - Personally as in a previous post. I am not 100% sure about this. I would appreciate it is when you meet the MP you don't represent all immigrants as (daft as it may sound) I am very worried this may have an impact on my and fellow visa applicants' process

 

I look at PIA for advice and help - not squabbles. I feel we should, no matter what, be able to voice opinion. I think it would be naive, however, to think this post would not get a mixture / personal responses!

 

Lisa

 

Thanks Lisa. Point taken and of course I am not representing all immigrants, just those who are having issues with the temp visa. I do understand your concerns and would not want to have a negative impact on anyone's visa application process.

[Guest caoimhe]

 

I for one am a lawyer that took whatever work was available when I arrived in the UK, and will adopt the same approach in Australia. The reason I am moving to Australia is that I subscribe to their attitude that if you don't like it bugger off, and I am not even there yet.

 

It is time to grow up, and work for your future instead of expecting it to be handed to you on a plate. If it is too much of a grind, get yourself home and make space for those of us that are willing to do what it takes to make a go of it.

 

Tot Siens

 

SAFFERDAN

I also subscribe to the Australian attitude of if you don't like it bugger off, unlike Britian where we are suppose to make changes for immigrants, but that is not what this thread is about, its about people on a temporary/provisional visas wanting the chance to do some work. The Australian Immigration only let us into their country based on what they need and what we have to offer and that is a great policy. Why should they let people in that won't offer their country anything. So why can we not get jobs when apparently what we have is what they are short off?

My husband is and IT Engineer and at present is working in a factory for a week beside a kiln in heat that is hard to cope with but he is doing it because he, like so many others on this forum, are willing to undertake any job to establish themselves in Australia and to support their families, just like you said you did in the UK.

I think this shows he is not looking for things to be 'handed to him on a plate'.

All of us on temp visas know we have to support ourselves financially when we arrive unlike Immigrants arriving in the UK and getting 'benefits' until they find work.

I really hope you find it easy to establish yourself in Australia when you arrive as the worry I have about supporting my children I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy

[Guest Django]

I dunno I don't turn the computer on for a morning as I wanted to do some shopping and clean the pool and all hell breaks loose.

 

Listen and listen good all you people that really have missed the point here.

 

It has been stated in certain quarters that the 'brits' expect to get top jobs handed to them and are whinging because they can't do so. I suggest you haven't been reading the boards as well as you claim. We have an IT guy driving buses, we have a skilled roofer digging gardens, we have one skilled toolmaker working in Bunnings another toolmaker has been turned down a job answering phones. To say that people are not prepared to turn their hand is a total nonsense.

The point of this thread is not directly about work anyway. Its about visa differences. Its about employers understanding of different visas.

Anymore mud slinging will be removed. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Also, I would like to congratulate Martin on his restraint. I wouldn't have been quite so calm in my reply.

 

Pete

[Guest soggy]

I dunno I don't turn the computer on for a morning as I wanted to do some shopping and clean the pool and all hell breaks loose.

 

Listen and listen good all you people that really have missed the point here.

 

It has been stated in certain quarters that the 'brits' expect to get top jobs handed to them and are whinging because they can't do so. I suggest you haven't been reading the boards as well as you claim. We have an IT guy driving buses, we have a skilled roofer digging gardens, we have one skilled toolmaker working in Bunnings another toolmaker has been turned down a job answering phones. To say that people are not prepared to turn their hand is a total nonsense.

The point of this thread is not directly about work anyway. Its about visa differences. Its about employers understanding of different visas.

Anymore mud slinging will be removed. Personal attacks will be tolerated. Also, I would like to congratulate Martin on his restraint. I wouldn't have been quite so calm in my reply.

 

Pete

 

are you sure personal attacks are ok now, only I have this list and have been holding back up to now.

 

Simon:)

[Guest Django]

are you sure personal attacks are ok now, only I have this list and have been holding back up to now.

 

Have altered it. Thanks Simon. Glad Miss Libby didn't spot it I would have had a few lines to do. Why is it whenever I try to write something serious The kids play up and distract me. When I'm just goofing around they are little angels.

 

Pete

[Guest Nick11]

I'm really not sure what the answer is ..... but if you don't ask - you'll never know.

Good luck with the meeting. Don't let certain members of this forum put you off.

 

 

And Martin - what a true gentleman you are.

Certain individuals on here ought to take a long cold hard look at their posts and hide away in shame.

[Beanbear]

Hi,

 

I am on a provisional visa and this has proved trying at times, but I did know a lot of what I would face so it didn't come as a shock in that sense. As a teacher I was welcomed over to work, although there are actually very few teaching vacancies (except in certain shortage subjects) so problems arose from the outset. That said my OH managed to get a job very quickly in an industry that needed his skills and as such he was taken on at a better rate than in the UK so we have lost and gained on the job front.

 

After throwing myself a 'pity party' a few months in, I determined to make the best of it and got related work, which I have done on a temporary basis. With a bit of lateral thinking I am considering some retraining and a slight change of career.

 

When I think of all the poor over qualified migrants I used to come into contact with in the Uk who made the best of it through sheer hard work, either to give their family a better life, or in the case of the majority of Poles, to send money back to relatives at home, i say we are all in the same boat. Yes many do get benefits in the UK but then they are members of the EU, whilst Oz can make its own rules and so be it.

 

I have two children who love their life and will benefit enormously from living here so we will continue to move onwards and upwards. You make your own luck in this world.

 

Oh and apparently the Skills Assessment people in the city can look at UK quals and point you in the right direction for getting them recognised - has anyone any experience of this?

 

Also haa anyone tried using the SIR letter on the ImmiSa site to show to prospective employers, it answers all the respective points being discussed here?

[Lazy Cow]

Do your research, and you won't get hit by these problems. The days of running off and complaining to your local MP are gone. You will be doing yourself and those that live in Oz on TR and wish to move there a grave disservice

 

I don't think that's fair. I appreciate that you would see that there would be jobs that you would not be able to apply for...just as there would be if you are PR...but how could you know that the visa being offered to you would be viewed with such suspicion by prospective employers? I wonder if the problem lies with the very name - temporary? Perhaps employers are concerned that the person they are interviewing is not intending to stay?

 

Maybe if they knew how many people have moved out of their financial comfort zone to come here, not entitled to any benefits, paying top dollar for everything, just because they want to be in Australia so much, they would be assured of their commitment and jump at employing them!

 

That said, I would be inclined to underplay the re-training thing, the 'it's not what you know but who you know' and the mis-representation of the skills shortage. IMHO the re-training per se is important to ensure that immigrants are aware of the different practices and regulations - and anyway, you need a piece of paper for just about everything here, even for a barista lol! The idea that employers choose someone they know over someone they don't perhaps with references from names that mean nothing to them, is unfair, human and ...sensible? And it doesn't just happen here. As for the skills shortage, I think you'll find there is one just not in Adelaide!

 

Anyway, just my thoughts! Good luck Cazzie! You go girl!

 

LC

 

Oh and you should run to your MP..that's exactly why they are there! Just ask anyone who's completed year 9 S&E!

[Guest Lisado]

Gosh - its all gone to pot on here

 

I have looked up the Arfikaans at the end of Saffadans email and it translates to "good bye/ so long" nothing malicious from what I can see

 

Lisa

[Guest Django]

Gosh - its all gone to pot

 

I agree. Cazzie started this thread in all good intentions. There is something wrong with how the visa system is understood by employers. We all know the score now regarding what Cazzie is doing. Those that want can send her their stories via pm or email. I'll close the thread now as it has run its course and believe there is nothing constructive to add.

 

Pete