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Looks a good spike up in numbers.. Could have been even better if they have not asked questions ! Positive out of this is the queue seems to be moving at a steady pace.. which is good news for the larger forum..

which state in India did you complete your education... It will worth to google the institution.. they normally would have curriculum which states the medium of english.

Yeah.. lets c how it goes..

Welcome to the club.. dont worry much.. Just do what is being asked for as of now to address the case. Rest actions can run parallel.

Great work. You can consider adding few questions in your email, Talk more on English requirement rather than Inconsistency as it cannot be completely evidenced. How can a applicant having a qualified level of English above functional level, gets no recognition in matter of three years? Provide a example of 'school and university' which was mentioned earlier. Why are the educational certificates provided at the time of 489 not considered for decision making in 887 ? 887 is an extended pathway to 489 hence both applications and supporting documentation needs to be given equal weightage in terms of decision making for 887 visa application? Why is the 887 checklist available on IMMI website specifically state this requirement, currently only talks about dependent applicants ? it will assist the applicants to put forward all the relevant documentation in one go and make the process seamless for decision making. It is fair to say and understand that the current legislation/regulations might not allow such flexibility, but don't you agree Honourable Minister that it is worth considering revision to these requirements in long run to make the process more efficient and less time consuming . Additionally I have personally noticed a degree of inconsistency of decision making by different processing centres. Although I do not have the liberty to know each case completely as the case officer but I am reasonably sure on the circumstances in terms of English requirement request does differ especially between Adelaide and Brisbane offices. You would be in a much better position to investigate this matter or ask for an explanation. Even you consider my case where I have secured a higher level of English which is classed above functional level and completed my education with English as a medium of instruction is still been asked to provide further evidence to prove functional english. More than happy to support the case officer in decision making of my application, but this is something which is already available in my application of 489. Please treat my letter as feedback from the client for the existing processes, you would agree with me that client feedback is critical to make the processes in place effective and efficient. Even though I was made to submit additional documents which I have duly completed, my efforts are to make things easier for case officers and future applicants particularly when most of the services are restricted in the times of COVID-19,

One more! Is yours case processed at Adelaide and case officer Lisa?

Mine was a similar case.. but was asked. Looks inconsistent approach clearly. QLD seems easy going and practical or I should say more experienced ppl.. as i said earlier if there is direct grant,it leads to one version of the story and other wise. Good on you mate.. enjoy.

Firstly address the CO requirement I would say that is in greater interest of you and your family. I am sure you would have done that already. Because you never know where this bureaucracy will lead to and whether will come with solution or not. Plus the time involved. Your letter should state your case and requirements at the point of application. why you feel it is unfair for a English evidence for applicant who has been already assessed couple of years back. Eg. It is like asking university student did you complete your primary schooling.. I do understand everyone feels unjust ( I have received one) with such stuff, but practically we have very limited information on most the topics and probably its the understanding we take from any information brought forward.Is it a right interpretation or not, it is not 100% there. For most applicants functional english can be proven with some kind of existing documents, so probably address the issue in hand first and then go about finding the root cause and addressing it is my suggestion. After so many months of action in media and various other forums the processing time got attention. It will not be a overnight change. Plus looks like COVID-19 is blessing in disguise, as it has lead to a situation where department has to concentrate onshore applications as there are very less offshore applications. Many processing centres are processing only onshore applications which has also lead to reduced processing time. Yes we seen occasions of inconsistency in processing of applications, but things are moving at a faster pace. The objective is to get the grant and move on with life.. Whether you get a direct grant or a grant post answering a query should not matter. Take it easy. Best wishes.

https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/help-support/meeting-our-requirements/english-language/competent-english

For aus immigration purposes it is valid for 3 years.

It certainly sounds as unfair.. But is it actually unfair in terms of law or relevant migration act? Needs to be revisited very carefully before making a conclusion. These are very strong words - "unfair treatment given to us" & "more of harassment" if not proven could backfire. Please remember prior you write a letter/compliant based on the limited information it will be difficult to understand and conclude as each case has different circumstances. Even you if you want to write it should start with a question and best way to do that is FOI in terms of having the facts right. Hope this helps.

Congrats for your grant.. Few things which needs to be considered thinking objectively are, Is your IELTS expired "on the date of 887 visa application", If yes you might be asked for functional english. IELTS - Update documentary evidence to prove FE. Remember IELTS for immigrations purposes is valid for three years. Education, Have completed in Australia or any English Speaking countries - If yes You might not be asked for functional english. If not probably consider updating FE evidence. If your applications is due to be considered revisit these questions, you might avoid the unnecessary trouble. On the subject applications processed in states other than SA are not being asked, is really a suspense to live with. Only Immigration department can answer that. One would imagine the rules of processing remains consistent across the processing areas.

Hard luck, but nevertheless good try to seek answers. If one reads the migration act closely it empowers the case officers to request for additional information as per their determination. This power supersedes of what is mentioned in the checklist or website. Once a applicant receives a request for additional information in most cases applicant need to provide it unless the case officer or superior decides otherwise.( bear mind to convenience the case officer will be long process which will involve time and energy) It does not sound good, but that is how government bureaucracy operates. Global Feedback is legislated to only do limited things, they will never advise on the operational matters or processes for the department. They do not have powers to do that., even if they find it is not correct. Hence you receives such standard responses. The case officers look at guidelines issued in (PAM) Procedure Advice Manual while assessing the case, one can subscribe it by paying the fees. Normally MARA agents have access to this. A free copy is available in selected state library this will clarify things and answers most of the why's. If you need more clarity. In long run this needs to be changed, no doubt on that.

Inconsistency continues to be consistent. It might be a win from all this at the end.. But somethings are not worth of your time and energy put into it.

Smart Move! Congratulations.

Best wishes with your application.

It is not what I have put together... I am with you on the interpretation of what we see on immigration website. I just told the outcome of the call I had today.. interesting to know varied responses is received for the same query. One wants to be to 100% clear but given the current situation.. there is no clear answer here. If one gets a direct grant there is one version of the story and there is another when you dont get. If the immigration makes it clear it will help existing and future applicants. Best wishes with your application.

I also was under the impression until I had a call with the immigration helpline this afternoon. So basically the confusion is due to this statement, "Provide proof that all dependent applicants aged 18 years and older, who did not pay the second instalment of the visa application charge at provisional stage, have at least functional English." In the sections Step by Step refer to Step 2, as per immigration the bullet points applies to all the applicants and they have specifically mentioned dependent to assist. They agreed the reqruiement should be more specific. They see that checklist reqruiement applying to all applicants and in nutshell applicants primary and secondary both need to provide functional English evidence. Better to upload relevant documents before it is asked for. One more thing, If a case officer has asked it, then it needs to be submitted unless case officer decides otherwise. Hope this helps..

Sad ! But certainly Not end of the world...

No IELTs will be time consuming.. I will get it done by Uni letter. PCC do not know what error.

PCC thing looks genuine, there could be an error .. but English not sure.. anyways get on with it and address it. Lets not think too much... If you guys have chance update functional english document will be my advice.

Yes CO.Jennie

Asked for more information, Date : 16/3/2019 Apparently it seems there was an error in one of the files relating to my offshore PCC, they asked to resubmit it again. and English - Evidence of your functional English language ability for Primary Applicant My IELTS was expired at the time of 887 application.

Congratulations and Best wishes

This is could be one of the potential reasons. Its worth checking for all current and future applicants in terms of expiry of 3 year period of English exam result. Again, we all only have limited information on what the applicants are informing us via this forum.But still a point to consider. Other option is start raising complaints around this, stating the link to departmental website which states no such reqruiement and especially during these times to get a letter from university or college will be cumbersome process based in any country. one of the applicant has already raised a complaint in his response. Hope for the best.