Going back ???

[ozzieclare2be]

Yeah have to say I dont get it either, all that hassle and hard work to get here and some give up so easily to go back, maybe they are not the fighters they thought they were??

 

 

:biglaugh:you havent a clue mate!! Its nowt to do with fighting and think you are very insulting implying people who go back just arent fighting hard enough!

[Guest Lulujim]

my reasons for going home are nowt to do with australia, well some of it is.

 

Just seen this Clare - sorry to hear you're off.... was looking forward to getting our monkey with yours!! x

[Guest TC for short]

Good grief - what a hornets' nest!

 

It's a bit like asking what's your favourite colour - there's no right or wrong answer. What to one person may seem a trifling matter can seem an insurmountable obstacle to another. I doubt very much that any of us "returners" are going back without much soul-searching and heartache. We've come. We've striven. We've given it everything we've got, and sometimes more than we've had to give. We've all of us lost an awful lot of money and worse, some have lost friends.

 

I don't think anyone has knocked Australia. For us and some others I know it's to do with work. Yes I could retrain, but I'm in a relatively well-paid, highly-specialised field and still have a house in the UK & a job to go to as soon as I land. To stay here I would have to change career since there's only the one company in my field here, and I simply don't have the funds to finance that. Also, given the current climate, even if I did retrain I'm in my forties and cannot guarantee getting employment post-training. So - decision pretty much made for us.

 

To those yet to come out I would say be very cautious. If you come out without confirmed employment & a contract in your hand, be prepared to spend a long time without an income. There are some here who have not been able to find work in a year or more, and then not in their original field. Budget carefully - overestimate outgoings, underestimate incomes and add 10% on each for the contingency fund. Decide on a limit (time, money or both) at which you'll decide to make the commitment to stay in Aus or return to the UK. When you do come out, though, enjoy the adventure!*

 

*statutory warning - fun may go down as well as up and past performances are not an indication of future growth! Sorry Andy!!!

 

Sorry for the rather rambling post. I know what I mean, anyway! Regardless, a bloke called Kipling summed it up much better than I can:

 

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

 

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;

If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with triumph and disaster

And treat those two imposters just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

And never breath a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

To serve your turn long after they are gone,

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

[Guest Rob and Clare]

 

If you can keep your head when all about you

Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;

If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,

But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,

Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,

Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,

And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

 

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;

If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;

If you can meet with triumph and disaster

And treat those two imposters just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken

Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,

Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,

And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;

If you can make one heap of all your winnings

And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,

And lose, and start again at your beginnings

And never breath a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew

To serve your turn long after they are gone,

And so hold on when there is nothing in you

Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on"; If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,

Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;

If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;

If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute

With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -

Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,

And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

 

Is that also in Mike Basset "England Manager"..

[Guest soggy]

Good grief - what a hornets' nest!

 

It's a bit like asking what's your favourite colour - there's no right or wrong answer.

 

 

yes there is, its green !!!!!

 

hope this puts peoples minds at rest a little.

 

Simon:)

[Guest TC for short]

What...

 

as in "Green & pleasant land"...?

 

TC

[kizzy]

Hi

 

It would be extremely useful if there was a post on PIA for members who have returned to the UK from Oz who could continue to post their experiences eg how they've settled, found jobs, houses, any regrets, wanting to return to Oz etc etc - just to keep us updated.

 

Apologies if this already exists.

[andy and lindsey]

Good grief - what a hornets' nest!

 

It's a bit like asking what's your favourite colour - there's no right or wrong answer.

 

 

yes there is, its green !!!!!

 

hope this puts peoples minds at rest a little.

 

Simon:)

 

Ooh - mine too!

[Guest Guest75]

 

Ooh - mine too!

 

42 is the answer.............. Thank you Douglas Adams:biglaugh:

[Guest massive]

This is just my opinion but here I go

to those going back I can understand this we have been here 8mths sold our house back in England , both working got all the benifits of Pr kids in private school having a house built we will be morgage free for the first time in 20 years of marrige no debt no financial worries but this can not replace family and friends .

We are very lucky and grateful to be in this position but Australia isn't paradise and we feel you will be giving up everything to try something new but for those of you back home Adelaide still has the social problems. crime unemployment and disilusionment as the u.k. if you are able to come with an open mind try it if its not for you don't give up on aus after having two weeks in Perth we know that Adelaide isn't for us but Australia is but we are alot more fortunate to be working than others on this sight and no one who has come and tried it should have any regrets we're along time pushing up daisies .

[Guest cunnah10]

This is just my opinion but here I go

to those going back I can understand this we have been here 8mths sold our house back in England , both working got all the benifits of Pr kids in private school having a house built we will be morgage free for the first time in 20 years of marrige no debt no financial worries but this can not replace family and friends .

We are very lucky and grateful to be in this position but Australia isn't paradise and we feel you will be giving up everything to try something new but for those of you back home Adelaide still has the social problems. crime unemployment and disilusionment as the u.k. if you are able to come with an open mind try it if its not for you don't give up on aus after having two weeks in Perth we know that Adelaide isn't for us but Australia is but we are alot more fortunate to be working than others on this sight and no one who has come and tried it should have any regrets we're along time pushing up daisies .

great Post!!

[Guest mayjess]

Australia can have great opportunities for some, but be the worst mistake for others, its not about how much you have in the bank that makes you settle in OZ, its about your state of mind, your understanding of what emmigrating involves,loosing touch with mnay people you have known for many years, If you can go with an open mind, try your hardenst to get out & about to make friends and get a job you enjoy or you can put up with until you get what you really want, then go for it, if your half hearted about the whole process and not too sure about giving up what you have here, you should definately, think hard before you do go. The biggest thing about it all, is that you can research OZ to death , but you really dont know or can predict how you will feel until you really do it, You may imagine it in your head about sunshine, beaches, BBQ`s etc, but if you`ve not experienced homesickness, you will never know what it feels like, Im not trying to scare anyone off going, Im just stating facts, I met a lot of ppl there who had serious homesickness, its a horrible thing and I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread-there is not enough support!

[Guest cunnah10]

Australia can have great opportunities for some, but be the worst mistake for others, its not about how much you have in the bank that makes you settle in OZ, its about your state of mind, your understanding of what emmigrating involves,loosing touch with mnay people you have known for many years, If you can go with an open mind, try your hardenst to get out & about to make friends and get a job you enjoy or you can put up with until you get what you really want, then go for it, if your half hearted about the whole process and not too sure about giving up what you have here, you should definately, think hard before you do go. The biggest thing about it all, is that you can research OZ to death , but you really dont know or can predict how you will feel until you really do it, You may imagine it in your head about sunshine, beaches, BBQ`s etc, but if you`ve not experienced homesickness, you will never know what it feels like, Im not trying to scare anyone off going, Im just stating facts, I met a lot of ppl there who had serious homesickness, its a horrible thing and I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread-there is not enough support!

can relate to your thread so much!

[Guest guest569]

Australia can have great opportunities for some, but be the worst mistake for others, its not about how much you have in the bank that makes you settle in OZ, its about your state of mind, your understanding of what emmigrating involves,loosing touch with mnay people you have known for many years, If you can go with an open mind, try your hardenst to get out & about to make friends and get a job you enjoy or you can put up with until you get what you really want, then go for it, if your half hearted about the whole process and not too sure about giving up what you have here, you should definately, think hard before you do go. The biggest thing about it all, is that you can research OZ to death , but you really dont know or can predict how you will feel until you really do it, You may imagine it in your head about sunshine, beaches, BBQ`s etc, but if you`ve not experienced homesickness, you will never know what it feels like, Im not trying to scare anyone off going, Im just stating facts, I met a lot of ppl there who had serious homesickness, its a horrible thing and I still stand by what I said earlier in this thread-there is not enough support!

Best post so far in my opinion !!!!

[ozzieclare2be]

I personally dont care about people opinions on us going back are. We have a reasons which only a few people really know, and im not prepared to discuss them on here. Australia is a lovely place, not going to dog it down, we had a great life in the Uk, everyone talks as if its turned into Beirut, or the league of gentlemen "theres nothing for you there" lol. Erm there is actually!

 

Come here give it a go, sometimes its nothing to do with money or houses or beaches or endless bbqs that make you happy though. x

[sueoc]

I find it refreshing that after months of lots of members badmouthing all things UK,some members are now saying what i have allways thought,and that is that there are many good things about life in the UK,which maybe we took for granted.These things remain in spite of all the obvious issues on the Political front(Immigration,Law and Order,erosion of Civil liberties,Stiffling Political Correctness etc)These concerns are what brought us to Adelaide,but alas we have discovered that those problems are not exclusive to the UK,and are worldwide.The point is that there is a lot we miss about the UK,and if we go back home im sure it wont be as bad as some people believe it to be,there is nothing wrong with people going back if they feel it suits them,thats their business and all the very best to them,who knows what the future holds for us all,those who are settled now may well feel the same as them twelve months down the line.Good Luck to all going back to the UK.

[Guest soggy]

I find it refreshing that after months of lots of members badmouthing all things UK,some members are now saying what i have allways thought,and that is that there are many good things about life in the UK,which maybe we took for granted.These things remain in spite of all the obvious issues on the Political front(Immigration,Law and Order,erosion of Civil liberties,Stiffling Political Correctness etc)These concerns are what brought us to Adelaide,but alas we have discovered that those problems are not exclusive to the UK,and are worldwide.The point is that there is a lot we miss about the UK,and if we go back home im sure it wont be as bad as some people believe it to be,there is nothing wrong with people going back if they feel it suits them,thats their business and all the very best to them,who knows what the future holds for us all,those who are settled now may well feel the same as them twelve months down the line.Good Luck to all going back to the UK.

 

I did not like a lot of things about the UK but I came to Australia more for new challenges and opportunities which I have found, I did not come to escape anything, everyone is different but if you are planning to escape something in the UK make sure it is not here too!

In my opinion, you need to start thinking of Australia as home as soon as possible, even if you still have a house in the UK, think of it as an investment not home, if you think of the UK as home you WILL be drawn to it.

 

Simon:)

[Rachiegarlo]

Well I left the UK twicw, once as a child so no choice there, probably would have still got a good education if I'd stayed, my older sibs did despite being very unhappy at a comprehensive that didn't really fit in with our family background. The first leaving was because there were more jobs and opportunities for my father as Aus was just rapidly expanding its tertiary sector in education.

 

Left the second time because it was either stay in London with little kids in a 3rd floor flat with exhorbitant rents and expenses or move to Liverpool to probable unempoyment and having to live in an area with bad schools. Hubby knew what was on offer here in Aus and had spent too long as an unemployed youth before escaping to London and falling into a trade. We did actually enjoy our life in the Uk, but could see that in 10 yrs time we would have still been there in that flat perhaps feeling trapped by then. The good thing is people are lucky to have those choices to come if approved, to stay , to go back. It's just like anything, some will love a school, the next will find it doesn't suit em and move. Life is not a practice run you got to do what you can with it and what makes you happy.

[Guest TC for short]

Perhaps we should re-name this site "philosophers in Adelaide" ?!

[Guest marty]

I did not like a lot of things about the UK but I came to Australia more for new challenges and opportunities which I have found, I did not come to escape anything, everyone is different but if you are planning to escape something in the UK make sure it is not here too!

In my opinion, you need to start thinking of Australia as home as soon as possible, even if you still have a house in the UK, think of it as an investment not home, if you think of the UK as home you WILL be drawn to it.

 

Simon:)

 

Hi, well said call it home and it will be home, I have been here over 30 years and Adelaide was my new home from day one, I was lucky as my wife was brought up here she came as a young kid a $10 pom, most of the poms who came in the 60's went back to the UK and then came here again hence the name"To and Froms".

If you have to go back to the UK to realise how good it is here then so be it but my advise is save your money call it home and all will be fine in the end.

[Guest mayjess]

Hi, well said call it home and it will be home, I have been here over 30 years and Adelaide was my new home from day one, I was lucky as my wife was brought up here she came as a young kid a $10 pom, most of the poms who came in the 60's went back to the UK and then came here again hence the name"To and Froms".

If you have to go back to the UK to realise how good it is here then so be it but my advise is save your money call it home and all will be fine in the end.

 

 

Good post, you are so very right, I wish I could`ve met you when I was over there to save my money haha

 

Mayjess

[Anne B]

I honestly don't think there is a problem in going back to the UK. People are doing it all the time for different reasons and have moved from one country to another throughout history. I think people are made to feel that somehow they have 'failed' if they move back, but Australia is not right for everyone.

 

Living outside the Uk for any period of time makes you realise all the good things about it that you took for granted before. Both Australia and the Uk are affluent, civilised democracies and we should be grateful for that. There are millions of people in the world who would do anything to live in either country.

 

Personally I blame the British media for constantly running the country down and moaning about what's wrong with the place. Then there is the constant bombardment of programs like 'Place in the Sun' and 'Wanted Down Under' which make it seem like everyone else is having a better life than you in the sunshine, and it's so easy to move. It doesn't help when they re-run old shows made a few years ago which make it look like you can swap your pokey terrace house in some grim rainy town for a mansion by the beach with a swimming pool. With house prices as they are, and considering we want to move to one of the more expensive suburbs in Adelaide, we will just about get a house on a par with what we've got now.

 

Just do what is right for you and don't feel bad about it.

[Guest TC for short]

Wanted Down Under is heavily sponsored by the Aus government to get Brits over here, so they have a vested interest in showing the best.

[Guest Tiddlypush]

Hi

What worries me is that if people who researched lots and were really keen to live in Adelaide then go home after a few months, then what about people like me who are not quite so sure.

 

Dont get me wrong, I loved Adelaide and whilst I was there I felt at home, comfortable etc. and would have bought a plot of land if i had a visa. I dont worry about jobs as there are plenty there for me.

 

However, I love my job and dont dislike UK, we also live in a nice rural area. My husband and youngest are very keen and our elsdest is now willing to come on a trial basis. I also am very close to my family.

 

So what is stopping me making that final decision? Visa is in pipeline, I know we can come home but that will distrupt youngest education she is 14.

 

Ideally Id come on a year sebatical so that my job is guarrenteed if it goes pear shaped. But then youngest will have missed 2 terms of her GCSEs.

 

But I am up for an adventure and would be will ing to give it a go - I think.

Enough rambling must do some housework.

[Guest milly123]

There does seem to be a growing trend of people dislikeing it here in the backwash, I speak with more that dislike it than those that do like it. oh we wont forget the i LOVE it crew:biglaugh: