Riots in London

[HEAPS GOOD !!!]

I saw this video too Rachel made me very angry and want to grab the little **** and slit his throat....

 

HG

[Guest Squareman]

I remember having a little debate a while back on here about the 'do I look bovvererd' attitude that is so prevalent among youth in the UK. My detractors were trying to convince me that Adelaide youth are as 'bad' as UK youth. I can't see this sort of thing happening here.

[Rachiegarlo]

It could happen anywhere, with the right circumstances. Students in Paris rioted in the streets. Sarajevo hosted the olympics...a few years later serbs and croats were slaughtering each other in the name of religion. 1984 Glenelg summer evening there was a riot, where the police had to retreat inside the police station that was inside Moseley Square, barricade themselves in while police cars were turned over and burned and the rioters ran amok. It was alcohol fuelled from people drinking attending a concert on Colley reserve back when you could do such things and they had such things there. Too few police, totally unprepared cos it hadn't happened before. People are saying youth have been pushed to the limits by the government, but it still comes down to young bored people jumping on board having a good time cos they can and using technology to stay ahead of being caught. It all comes down to attitude. In less "well fed" countries young people work hard at school and when they leave they work at whatever they can get, because there is little social welfare. Unfortunately there are no more countries you can herd these people off to as they did in the 1800s, perhaps it's time to populate some space stations....lol

[Guest Guest75]

Should be ok Tyke, is probably going to burn out soon, and is only affecting London, Brum and one car in Liverpool (I'm not sure that really counts then). They will get tired in an hour or so and pop off home to bed.

 

Mrs T got of fine :smile:

[Guest Adelaide_bound]

What is making me absolutely devastatingly sad now is the amount of people saying 'Bleeding police, doing nothing, they are just as bad, poor rioters, no future for them in the UK, poor dears' and excusing the behaviour in one swoop. This is exactly WHY this has happened and I am so so thoroughly and utterly ashamed right now to be British. I know I am soft, but I really am close to tears over not only what has happened, but people's reaction to it (not on here I hasten to add - its nice to have our decision to emigration to Aus reinforced by this )

 

In case anyone hasn't seen it - but it is very upsetting (not violent, just heartbreaking!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gex_ya4-Oo&feature=player_embedded#at=13

[Anne B]

A lot of it seems to be thrill seeking on the part of the 'feral youths' who are rioting. Something exciting and dangerous to do in the school holidays when you don't have to worry about getting up the next day. I feel there is a generation of kids/teenagers out there, who haven't got good role models in their own parents, who have been totally desensitized to violence through video games and violent movies, who have probably had sex/drunk alcohol/taken drugs from an early age, who are looking for some excitement, something different. Combined with massive peer pressure to be one of the 'mob', be cool etc etc. I don't know what the solution is, but I am not surprised - the seeds of this problem were planted many years ago and the British government have got to do some serious thinking and give the police back some power so that the silent majority of good law abiding citizens are properly protected.

[Rachiegarlo]

National service....get to 16, not going on to study or work at least part time then in you go. I'm not talking about armed forces, I'm talking about serving your community. If you've spent 6 weeks fixing up that kids playground and some 14 yo thug from your area comes and trashes it, well you will find them and thump them. You might actually develop your own pride in your community area. Yes you might have to live at home because you don't have a job, can't get a house etc but this is your area take pride in it.! Course it's not as simple as that but it's time people stopped expecting something for nothing. Singapore has national service for its youth, not to train up the army but it is used as a way to indoctrine a pride in their country during that time.

[Rachiegarlo]

For your info... http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=207192798388318292131.0004aa01af6748773e8f7&msa=0&ie=UTF8&source=embed&t=h&ll=51.536086,-0.056305& for London's burning......eyewitness reports of the mayhem.

[snifter]

I've not read the thread in full. I'm only replying here. I don't really have words on this. Its happening not far from us also now. Bristol had problems last night and I fully expect more tonight.

 

I am ashamed of what these people are doing. Its gone beyond protesting at the death of a man.

 

But then I am inspired by those campaigning to help clean up and stand up for the communities affected.

 

http://46.183.9.169/Riot_Clean_Up.html

 

I hope people not involved remain safe and that no lives are lost. I fear it is only a matter of time before people are killed because of these acts of violence and destruction.

 

I remember the St Paul's riots in Bristol when I was a kid. I have grave concerns for what might happen around the country now.

[Guest smit]

National service....get to 16, not going on to study or work at least part time then in you go. I'm not talking about armed forces, I'm talking about serving your community. If you've spent 6 weeks fixing up that kids playground and some 14 yo thug from your area comes and trashes it, well you will find them and thump them. You might actually develop your own pride in your community area. Yes you might have to live at home because you don't have a job, can't get a house etc but this is your area take pride in it.! Course it's not as simple as that but it's time people stopped expecting something for nothing. Singapore has national service for its youth, not to train up the army but it is used as a way to indoctrine a pride in their country during that time.

Would probably be against their human rights or against some sort of socialist inspired crap.

[xzibit]

Am quite annoyed I've missed out on the chance of getting myself a free tv, laptop, and a shed load of chocolate but hey-ho.

[Guest dwethe]

Spent last night arranging for shutter engineers and shop fitters to go to House of Fraser stores in Croydon - Bristol and Birmingham after they were vandalished. Not looking forward to tonight as I can only see it spreading.

[Guest Ryan T. Lion]

The UK is broken.

 

I just don't know what else to say. The only option is to move 10,000 miles away - which we've done.

 

I just hope we decide to convert to PR and stay.

 

Locals here (complete strangers I might add) are hearing our accents and asking if our loved ones back home are ok.

 

One word: OLYMPICS.

 

The world is watching, people!

[Guest gymnast11]

typical, thugs and we all ending up paying for it in the end , so when things are rising its down to these stupid lot, so relieved im emigrating and as soon as i can become a citizen of oz its happening, bring back harsher punishment, in other countries you would have your fingers chopped off for thieving, but all these do gooders will see something nice in these hooligans,

[Guest gymnast11]

i totally agree with smit, national service, if they are not in education, or job, do something possitive for your community, instead of burning it down x

[Lil Bev]

It's disgusting whats happening here it's spreading like wildfire, mindless idiots jumping on the bandwagon. We're so glad we are leaving the UK, determined to make a better life for ourselves and our future family...roll on the 24th!

[Guest samog]

This whole situation is so sad, I am so ashamed to be British right now. I grew up in London in the 70's and 80's we had nothing much to do but we found ways to amuse ourselves, we did not rob, loot or riot. My family worked their backsides off to make a life for themselves and never once asked for anything to be handed to them. Everyday I see people expecting everything just to be given to them, they don't want to work hard they just want to take what others have worked for.

 

I am disgusted by the vile 'hoody' culture of modern britain, I used to be so proud of living here but now I cannot wait to leave and start a new life in Adelaide, I hope to God this culture does not land in Oz and infect their culture as it has here. It about time the Government toughned up and allowed the police to police these morons instead of pussy footing around them

[Guest bosco]

sorry gotta disagree with you matt, they still use them here in n ireland but when you give them to trigger happy cops who shoot into crowds and at kids standing watching trouble on their estates hitting them in the head the damage caused you dont want to experience. I totally condem these hooligans but i think bringing plastic bullets out really is not the answer.

[Guest Angie12]

Its totally disgraceful and i'm ashamed to be living here at the mo !!!

We are not that near to be affected but near enough for trouble to start , we've had helicoptors going over for the past 2-3 nights , 1st i thought it was some little oick doing a runner !!! And we've been hearing police sirens tonight , who knows whats going on and i doubt we'll hear, as not everything is disclosed

 

Can't wait to leave and take my children away from all this negativity and hostility , we are thinking of bringing our plans forward and going as soon as possible , bring on the good life:wink:

[minty]

sorry gotta disagree with you matt, they still use them here in n ireland but when you give them to trigger happy cops who shoot into crowds and at kids standing watching trouble on their estates hitting them in the head the damage caused you dont want to experience. I totally condem these hooligans but i think bringing plastic bullets out really is not the answer.

 

Hi, I done 4 tours in N Ireland and covered many a riots. Every time baton rounds were fired targets were clearly marked and selected both by the military and the police. The only random rounds were into a front line of a full scale riot to get a buffer zone. I never once saw innocent kids in riots, kids rioting yes but not innocent kids. Would you let your kids out to watch a riot ? They are there to cause trouble and at this rate someone is going to get killed. A few batons down the range is exactly what is required, then they will know there is a consequence to there actions that hurts.

[Mini2005]

Really glad some of the people on here aren't in charge. Snipers on rooftops and rubber bullets !!!!! I wouldn't like their job at the moment cos whatever they do they'll be wrong. Really heartwarming to see all the true British spirit in the footage showing hundreds of people volunteering to clear up the aftermath. That made me proud to be British - a minority will never make me ashamed to be British.

[minty]

Really glad some of the people on here aren't in charge. Snipers on rooftops and rubber bullets !!!!! I wouldn't like their job at the moment cos whatever they do they'll be wrong. Really heartwarming to see all the true British spirit in the footage showing hundreds of people volunteering to clear up the aftermath. That made me proud to be British - a minority will never make me ashamed to be British.

 

Why not plastic bullets ?

 

Maybe if a few people on here were in charge it would of been put to bed on the first night.

 

It's the softly approach that's got us in this mess !!!!!

[Mini2005]

I didn't say we had to be soft at all. Bullets and snipers is just extreme is what I said.

[AussieRob]

Why not plastic bullets ?

 

Maybe if a few people on here were in charge it would of been put to bed on the first night.

 

It's the softly approach that's got us in this mess !!!!!

 

I think if this was a riot over some massive injustice then I don't think going in hard is the right answer, that said, this wasn't a massive injustice, an armed gangster was shot dead, there are consequences to being an armed gangster and everyone has to understand that. The subsiquent riots are for absolutley no good reason at all, and I would use every means possible to stop them, and if someone is stupid enough to stand around watching and they got hurt by a rock or bullet then that would be there own stupid fault. I watched the news this morning where hoodies covering their faces were hurling everything at the police, but if they then take their hoodie off, they can just blend into the crowd that is "watching". Sorry if your watching your almost as guilty as those taking part and it's not an excuse.

[minty]

I didn't say we had to be soft at all. Bullets and snipers is just extreme is what I said.

 

I did not mention snipers or bullets, I said rubber bullets, something that gets used in N Ireland still and our police also have at their disposal. A perfectly acceptable riot control tool used the world over. And effective.