Would you still emigrate?

[PatP]

At one of the Fringe shows we attended the MC asked the audience who is British and who is Aussie. The MC (a pom) then said to this older pommie couple that it was much better living here than the UK, obviously expecting them to agree, when in fact the reply they got from the sullen man was 'not when you are unemployed'! Errhhh, time to move on with the show!

I think that's the nail on the head Jessica it's hard to live anywhere if your in the bread line and I would I think even harder in a ' strange country ' ie if you have emigrated and your away from family and friends

We were always so lucky jobs straight away back in 1982 so we never looked back plus the costs to emigrate were not nearly as high back then

I would never ever say to anyone don't emigrate as Australia is a great place what I would say is look long and hard at what your doing and why then make decisions

Having said that you don't know until you try do you

Edited March 13, 2016 by Philly47

[keldaz]

Mrs keldaz and I have discussed this thread in a little more detail over this long weekend. It started off when I told her l had posted our living standard was the same. She agreed that on the surface in terms of house size, quality of food etc, but said she felt she had lost her true self to the move in terms of career (would be at least a deputy head by now), more surplus money for the things that completed her, shopping, shows and social scene.

 

Next we had a broader chat and we concluded that migration if not a refugee is an investment, and when you invest in something your looking for a return on the amount of investment you put in, based on this we compared ourself to 2 friends who are very happy here.

 

Friend 1, married an Aussie, visa grant time we think 2 months, got job quickly due to other family already here. But if he hadn't found work would not have right to complain, as visa based on marriage.

 

Friend 2. PR visa based on skill set, process time 6 months, left UK with no job, but finds his skills in demand and lands job in 2 weeks $110k per annum (claimed anyway), still there. He was given a 'fair go'.

 

Team keldaz, PR visa based on skill set, 2 year process time, due to Aussies freezing all similar visa. Life in UK totally put on hold, not knowing which way to turn. Arrive in Aus couple of days to acclimatise, then hit the pathway to my trade licence, the response from the people and the system, dunno mate, dunno mate, not our problem. After eventually completing pathway in good grace, there were no jobs anyway.

 

What we didn't know in the UK of course, is that SA has ambitious population expansion plans, the thinking is with more population it can match the economies of the more prosperous states. How they get them, it would appear doesn't matter.

Edited March 14, 2016 by keldaz
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[John Browning]

Over Two years ago I had a choice between Aus and Canada (Edmonton). Take me back so I could make that decision again!

 

Edmonton!? ...isn't that one of the Canadian towns where people spend most of the winter underground to avoid the blizzards and ravenous Polar Bears?

 

-What a happy little Hobbit you would have been, Kenny.

 

Never mind..... it's not too late -Perhaps you could apply for a job at Mawson or Casey, instead?

 

 

JB

 

-just be careful , though, I hear the psychological testing by the Australian Antarctic Survey is pretty stiff

 

(-some claptrap or other about "not wanting to be stuck at the ends of the earth in hut full of whinging expats"

 

......damned impudence)

[Sylvian]

OK, not the thread to be reading just before you apply for your visa!

 

I'm off to look at pictures of the sea-side.

 

S

[Barry1986]

Is it really that bad?? Looking to move next year. What is the construction industry like? Are they building in Adelaide? Iam a roofer

[KennyKen]

Take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the facts.. I'm an electrician and there's **** all construction work. Hence the reason most of us are working interstate. End of

[KennyKen]

I wouldn't have migrated here if it weren't for my husband. Although he was born in London, he grew up in Adelaide so he has had very good employment. My contract recently ran out and because I'm highly specialised it appears I will be moving interstate due to an appalling lack of good work in Adelaide.

 

Before moving here I lived in Canada and had a very good job/career, made a good six figure salary, was at management level and overall had great upward mobility career-wise. Unfortunately, I've stagnated in Adelaide and whilst I have a lovely house and family, I may have to forfeit a domestic situation for some time and go elsewhere. The good jobs (white collar work) aren't in Adelaide and any few openings have a hundred applicatants or more. Plus, the incestuousness of Adelaidians in general gives me the s@*%. The calibre and work ethic of too many people is galling.

 

South Australia is a beautiful state and I've traveled around it extensively. If one has a young family or is retired or elderly, I can't think of a more perfect place to live. Unfortunately, I'm too young to be involuntarily retired!

 

I'm a glass half-full type of individual but I have to be realistic. There is no vibrancy to this city and the economy will get worse until it gets better. It's a real shame and I am saddened I feel this way but it just isn't working out for me and for many others. I have savings and good household income so I've never panicked over lack of money. I am pursuing another degree, I do some consultancy work and I volunteer. But sadly, there is a gnawing feeling that I am not fulfilling my career potential so that is my impetus for change.

 

Couldnt have put it better myself, currently in Sydney and the transition is alarmingly different from adelaide

[Barry1986]

Take off your rose tinted glasses and look at the facts.. I'm an electrician and there's **** all construction work. Hence the reason most of us are working interstate. End of

 

Just asking the question mate no need to be funny. If I had rose tinted glasses on I wouldn't be asking the question would I !

[PatP]

My sons a glazier and has plenty of work but it's on large projects ie the RAH , The cricket ground etc Must admit the amount of new builds from Seaford down to Aldinga is amazing my hubby and I said the south seems to be on the up But the truth is its getting a start when your new in the country it's not like it was years ago when you could walk into a job ,my hubby was a bricklayer so in the building game I think Adelaide is quite parochial in its own way and it's who you know rather than what you know in some trades Do your homework Barry1986 then make your decisions and good luck which ever way you choose

[KennyKen]

Just asking the question mate no need to be funny. If I had rose tinted glasses on I wouldn't be asking the question would I !

 

Well starting your post with. Is it that bad? Pissed me off! It's like where on here preaching bull ****! I've struggled my ass off in the construction game. I hate when people try telling you different. BTW RAH is finished or 99% complete I was there for nearly year and half!!! The Seaford housing construction is around 30 house's at a time hardly extravagant

[Jessica Berry]

Well starting your post with. Is it that bad? Pissed me off! It's like where on here preaching bull ****! I've struggled my ass off in the construction game. I hate when people try telling you different. BTW RAH is finished or 99% complete I was there for nearly year and half!!! The Seaford housing construction is around 30 house's at a time hardly extravagant

 

Did you have rose tinted glasses on before you arrived? There has been plenty of chat on this forum for several years (long before you arrived) of the difficulties some people experience gaining work in Adelaide and the general employment outlook. Also information on this forum specifically on your role as an electrician and the retraining required and that for some it can be a hard slog. Even so, you still decided to move here with your family.

Edited March 23, 2016 by Jessica Berry

[keldaz]

Is it really that bad?? Looking to move next year. What is the construction industry like? Are they building in Adelaide? Iam a roofer

 

If your not looking at coming over till next year, then the current situation is irrelevant, times change so to speak. It is common place for trades who are looking to work on large scale construction projects to go interstate, this is nothing new, we've been here just over 4 1/2 years and this was happening then as well. Adelaide is just too small to have constant large scale construction requiring hundreds of trades. This is where the old saying that Australia is 'too big' rings true, if there's no work for you in Adelaide big big problem, as you can't just jump in the car and commute for work as you would in Europe. So really your moving to a far smaller world, with less choice, this was a thinking/planning error we made.

 

As to your situation, if your saying your a house roofer, then there's always been plenty of urban gap filling going on here. Plenty of new build houses going up both on vacant/reused after demo plots. A house needs a roof, it don't get there through the power of prayer, the trick is to find out who and get in. There in, as the bard said lies the romp.

Edited March 23, 2016 by keldaz

[John Browning]

Just asking the question, Kennyken mate no need to be funny. If I had rose tinted glasses on I wouldn't be asking the question would I !

 

 

Quite so, Barry and Sylvian...

 

Part of the problem might be that the central part of Adelaide is coming off an all-time high in terms of construction work:

 

...the Adelaide Oval, The New Hospital (" the worlds 3rd biggest construction project"), the Convention Centre extension, the new Medical School plus a shirt load of big accommodation as well as the new tram lines, the South Road Underpass, the South Road elevated highway, the Southern Express Way etc etc etc -They are all complete or about to complete

 

But you know, it's a bit like those people who say " I've heard Olympic Dam isn't going ahead".

 

Far from it - Olympic Dam is still one of the world's biggest copper mines.

 

What isn't going to happen is the original (-arguably quite daft-) plan to turn it into an Open Cast Mining operation.

 

But an expansion plan is still going ahead, and the existing mine is still producing huge wealth, ( and yes - the gold / silver / yellow cake bi products are still selling very nicely, thank you very much).

 

Similarly (as Philly points out) construction work continues around South Australia . It is just that no one (well, no one sensible, that is) would have expected the booms in these industries to continue forever.

 

I still know people in both industries who are hiring people willing to do a fair days work - go for it

 

 

JB

 

So, personally, I don't give a monkeys whether the glass is full or not: "raise the glass" is my motto

Edited March 23, 2016 by John Browning

[KennyKen]

Did you have rose tinted glasses on before you arrived? There has been plenty of chat on this forum for several years (long before you arrived) of the difficulties some people experience gaining work in Adelaide and the general employment outlook. Also information on this forum specifically on your role as an electrician and the retraining required and that for some it can be a hard slog. Even so, you still decided to move here with your family.

 

Heres a medal because you've been here longer then I. Looking at your old post you still write the same rhetoric. Your a hero well done

[Barry1986]

Old Ken need to chill out then. Hope I get a medal one day.

[Blossom]

Yes and no Blossom - depends where you want to live in Cambridge and whether or not you ever want to go out!

 

A three bed semi in a decent central Cambridge road could easily cost you AU$1.4m. In our village, which is several miles outside the centre, a three bed detached without garden is around AU$1.6m. It often takes an hour to drive from one side of the city to the other (less than 10 miles) and a normal train ticket to London might set you back AU$200 if you're not careful. A meal out for two at a local pub is AU$80 and a pint of beer AU$9.

 

If you want a decent 3-bed house in a decent area with a decent school and an outgoing lifestyle, you are looking at a minimum of AU$1m for your house and an income of AU$100,000 p.a.

 

Trust me, cheap it is not!

 

S

 

I don't know how I missed checking back on this thread. I should have said Cambridgeshire rather than Cambridge itself (I come from about 8 miles out). I don't want to live in any city. ;-)

Yes the house prices are high, but I could get much better wages there. I can't afford to buy a house here either, so I'd be no worse off.

 

I drive an hour to and from work here, which is far worse than when I could walk five minutes to work at my last job in Cambridgeshire. My rent was less than here, although I'm sure that will have changed.

I certainly never paid anywhere near that for a train ticket, even first class from Manchester. However, if you want to go to another city from Adelaide you are looking at at least that.

Meals out, that totally depends on where you go. You can find cheap or expensive places in both places.

As I said, my standard of living here is not as good as it was in Cambridge. That's all the proof I need.

[PatP]

Well starting your post with. Is it that bad? Pissed me off! It's like where on here preaching bull ****! I've struggled my ass off in the construction game. I hate when people try telling you different. BTW RAH is finished or 99% complete I was there for nearly year and half!!! The Seaford housing construction is around 30 house's at a time hardly extravagant

I was making a point if you read my comments through you will see I do say do your homework !

I think your frustration over your own situation comes across as others being wrong when others may find their situation totally different from yours

please don't put words into my mouth because your obviously unhappy

[snifter]

A number of posts in this thread have been removed as per the forum rules regarding personal attacks, name calling and so on.

 

Please keep it decent.

 

Now, lets get back on track please